Thanks to folks in the comment section for pointing out some news coming out of Pala.
Here are the links:
July 5, 2019 Press Enterprise - Pala Casino, Spa & Resort cancels remainder of themed pool party events
July 9, 2019 Fox5 Man wounded in shooting at Pala Indian Reservation
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Sad news in La Jolla yesterday.
Mitzi Magante passed away after a long fought battle with cancer.
May she now rest in peace.
It’s funny no one has anything to say but when it comes to the other families we hear all kinds of news.
Who gave the EC the authority to evict or banish a Tribal member without a vote from the general membership at a meeting?
That's exactly what the EC has done to the shooter in the fight that took place in pala about 5 days ago.
The person's that started the fight didn't get in any trouble from the EC.
How can the EC evict or banish a Tribal member without the authority of the People?
Hell yeah
Don't forget who the trouble maker is related to on the EC
He is Tony RAVAGO'S nephew and Theresa Nieto's cousin.
He is allowed to sell pot and other drugs in pala without
any type punishment.
I always thought that the EC had to get the approval of the general membership before evicting or banishing anyone
from the Reservation, especially a tribal member.
If i am wrong please let me know.
Toby and Anna’s son was a drug dealer?
Check his arrest record it speaks for it self.
He doesn't even half to pay non member water and trash.
He is not an enrolled member of the PBMI.
Who ?
TOBO RAVAGO.
You are right 3:19 AM his arrest record does indicate that he has been arrested for drug use and other things
concerning drugs.
And yet the EC takes no action against a non member because he got his ass shot by a tribal member who was defending his kid brother.
Something is very wrong with this action.
In the first place the general membership did not give Robert Smith and the EC a vote to do this action of eviction/banishment from the Reservation which according to the Tribes own constitution requires that the general memberships vote is required to give the EC the power to enact this option for eviction/banishment of a Tribal member from the Reservation.
So the EC has again acted outside there scope of authority by doing this action without proper authority to do so.
The member that was banished should file an appeal for this action against him for the simple fact that the EC acted without the authority of the people and lack of due process.
Boo hoo...Robert is not following the rules..awe sad face...does he ever? He does whatever he wants in Pala and nobody is going to do anything about it. He knows this so he could care less about all this talk in here because he knows it’s just talk. We’re all tired of everyone complaining about Robert and nieto stealing from the tribe and not following tribal law. Well either do something about it or get over it. Once he dies from his failing health and we get a new EC then we can take it out on his family and nieto and dion’s family. I know nobody will ever forget what Robert and his followers did and they will pay one day. This can bring some comfort to everyone because nothing will happen until that time even with all this talk.
All of the talk and no action is something i don't understand.
Wouldn't it be better to do something about Smith and Nieto while they are still alive and kicking so they can suffer the effects of what they have done?.
The reason that i feel this way is because neither of them could care less what their family WILL endure after they are dead.
Both of them are so caught up in their self image that they will do what ever they can to protect that image at any cost.
They want the public to think that they are the Gods of the reservation and that's why they do what they do.
Theresa Nieto is a lying bitch to most all Tribal members, but to the outside people she has a total different face. She acts like she is the number one person that controls the members of the Band and that's final.
She does control Robert Smith and he can't make any decisions concerning any issues concerning the Tribe without getting approval from Nieto.
They both need to be held accountable for their action and corruption while they are both alive.
They need to suffer like they have made others suffer.
Sure after they are dead Pala can heal but the real healing would be to see the ones responsible for the corruption and lies to pay for it.
So the only way to make that happen is to either give what you know to the FBI or impeach them both.The decision is resting on the General Members and they will have to all get together and make that decision as a group in order to make that happen.
Per cap should be going up now. Right guys ? Haha
Robert did the right thing.
@ 8:01pm
What did Robert do that was the right thing??
@ 8:01 did smith die or step down?
That would be the only right thing that i can think of.
Like he did with his own daughters, tearing down Anthony Boles house to destroy evidence?
He wouldn't know whats right if it hit him in his balls,
if he even has any, which i doubt that he does.
That's why he didn't want Mike Lucio around Pala and his wife, who was once in love with Mike Lucio and is Jodi's father.
But Mike Lucio will never go away very far and will someday be driving all of Robs vehicle around the Rez.
AND WHO KNOWS MAYBE Mike will even get one of Robs daughters to have his baby.
How cool would that be, Rob would be the grandfather of Mike Lucio's baby.
I drove past the Nieto's house last night and noticed that Roy AND Theresa bought another new motor home.
I am willing to bet anyone that they didn't pay any sales tax on it.
Why else would the dealership deliver it to the Reservation but to only avoid paying sales tax on something.
Just roughly figuring the sales tax on this motor home would be approx. $ 12,500.00 dollars worth of sales tax
that they screwed the state out of.
But the tribal members would never ever think that their little princes " Theresa Nieto",would cheat anyone out of a dollar.
BULLSHIT.
ALSO I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE TRIBE DID FINANCE THE THEIR NEW MOTOR HOME PER THE DEALERSHIP,EVEN AFTER A LETTER WAS SENT OUT STATING THAT ALL LOANS, EVEN AUTO LOANS WERE SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
I guess Nieto forgot to send herself that notice that she signed.
The letter was sent out to all Tribal Members but doesn't apply to illegally enrolled members.
All tribal members are entitled to deffered sales tax on large items delivered to the reservation....I dont understand your argument.
When a tribal member buys or leases a new vehicle and lives on the reservation and the tribal members spouse is a non Indian they have to pay one half of the states sales tax.
However if you check the sales/lease agreement on the motor home in question you will see that the sales tax on this purchase/lease was ZERO sales tax and the Dealer didn't even deliver it to the Reservation the buyer took position of the vehicle at the dealership which by law in the state of California does not deffer the sales tax.
If the vehicle is registered to both parties they must, by law pay the states sales tax if they are married and one of them is not a tribal member.
Even if it is a off terrain type vehicle like four wheel
desert toys/ dune buggies and such they have to pat the states tax on them if a non members name is used on the purchase, that's the law.
The spouse of the person buying/leasing the vehicle in question is a Mexican and he is NOT entitled to be tax free from any and all things bought that his name appears on the sales contract.
DO YOU HEAR THIS IRS ?
INVESTIGATE INSTEAD OF JUST SITING ON YOU ASSES AND LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
IT IS ABUSE OF POWER BY AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS ON THE RESERVATION.
THAT WOULD EVEN MAKE IT A FEDERAL CRIME AND A STATE CRIME
SO WHO IS GOING TO PROSECUTE, STATE OR FEDERAL?
That is not true...you can still get tax breaks at dealerships. Also, maybe the vehicle is in her name only.
Also depends on the person's credit history. Not everyone needs to go through the Tribe for a loan, we didn't.
That's not the point 7:17.
The point is that if she did finance it through the Tribe
then that is wrong on so many levels.
The Tribe sent out letters last month stating that all loans were suspended including auto loans.
So if they did finance3 it through the Tribe then that mean that the EC are the only ones that can get loans.
That money that comes in through Tribal enterprises belongs to the whole Tribe not just 6 people.
And for her to get financing on this motor home from the Tribe is putting everyone else on a waiting list until the EC wants to help the members of PBMI.
Non members have more priority than members anyway.
Yeah 86 all the ones that wanna fuck up. Shooting around our Rez we got enough problems and kick the parents out too for raising their kids all fucked up while trying to hide behind the Bible. Shut that ugly ass church down too. Fuckin hypocrites. They’re gonna fuck around and end up causing a war. We need to set a example.
Are you talking about the girl that got arrested with all kinds of guns and drugs in her car.
@ 11:36 AM
It sounds like you are setting a real good example for your kids and family.
Bad mouthing everyone for actions of a single person who hasn't even been to trial and found guilty of the crime he is accused of.
What kind of example is that.
It also sounds like your are the fucking hypocrite that you are talking about.
I didn't see you post anything about the Chairman's daughter when she was arrested with all the guns and illegal weapons in her car.
Maybe you are right about starting a war.
A war against the corruption and bullshit that that Robert and Theresa Nieto are guilty of starting.
But i guess that's okay with you.
If you would take the same stance against the ones that have turned this reservation sideways then maybe you would be on to something.
It's the leaders that let this kind of shit happen on the reservation by teaching the young ones that crimes do pay.
And further more you you blaming the entire church for
this is way out there for sure.
I guess that you don't like the church that prays for peace on the reservation and prays for the survival of the people that are and have been abused by the corruption of the leaders that are supposed to serve and protect the people living in and around our reservation.
That's a good idea that you have to 86 all the ones that wanna fuck up including the 2 evil doers on the EC, smith and nieto who cover up a lot of shit for some people, like smiths daughter who was caught up with all the weapons and drugs in her car and not even spending a single day in jail, but it looks like karma was served on her anyway, the whip hits got her an served her with a life time of hurt and in a wheelchair.
I don't know who you are but i am sure that you may be a good person but it sounds like you have been hurt by some of the things that have taken place on the reservation, however just remember we are all family here and violence will not save the tribe but a new leadership would.
to 11:36 sounds like the Devil is mad.Becareful what you say.
I know they’re gonna have a camp meeting how funny they don’t even practice what they preach. Cowards
fuck off
@ 11:36
Now i know who you are.
I just obtained your IP address and i am not surprised by who it came back to.
You may as well let everyone one know who you are because in 24 hours i am going to post your true identity so everyone will know who you really are.
People will not not be surprised either to learn who the mad poster is.
11:36 am is just another loud mouth non CUPA wannabe who can't backup anything that he/she says.
I am sure that you all know who it is by now.
Stay tuned for the name of Mr./Mrs, loud mouth.
Then we can take that name to the next meeting and request the $1000 fine be taken from his/her per capita
for posting on this site, with proof of his/her IP address.
Also he/she may qualify for banishment from the Reservation for being a direct threat to the Reservation and the residents living near by.
@ 2:04 am.
Be careful what you say on here,
COWARD.
I agree with you 100%, however the next step is to find out for sure if she got the loan through the Tribe, if so then something needs to be done.
How do you suggest we find out about the financing through the Tribe.
It is probably documented in in a different set of books away from everyone's eyes except Smiths and Nieto.
Just like the two sets of books that are kept for the finances at the Casino.
Nothing will ever be done even if she did finance it at the Tribe because everyone is to afraid to speak up against her and Robert.
Pala should do like that Tribe in the amazon did.
Have 50 miners rush the Tribal leader and stab him to death and dump him in a river somewhere.
That's Tribal justice at its finest.
Or find a rattle snake den up in the mountains east of the Reservation and tie them to a tree and arouse the den of rattle snakes and see how long it takes them to die from snake bites.
Agua Tibia mountains would be the best spot because there are timber rattle snakes up there and those suckers are huge, some of them are 3 to 4 inches in diameter and about 5-6 feet long.
I have seen them when i used to go hunting up there when i was a kid.
Rattle snakes can't be bought off for money and comps.
And by the time they were trying to call for help there would be no chance for survival from the snake bits.
Also snakes can't be prosecuted for killing anyone.
Snakes are like the Chairman of Pala.They get away with killing people.
Does anyone know if there is a list of the Indians that were kicked off the Cupa village and relocated to Pala.
Including all names that were on the wagon trail of tears, including all the children's names.
If so please post it here or let me know somehow.
Thank you.
here is some bullshit for PALA to digest.
The Bonsall school district has sent out notices to the parents of Bonsall students stating that there will be
" no"SCHOOL BUSES TAKING THE STUDENTS TO SCHOOL AND HOME AGAIN.
They want the parents to $500 per student for the buses to to run for the school year.
The reason being that the PBMI hasn;t donated enough money this year to run the buses for the students.
I don't understand why this is happening because the buses have been taking the children to and from school for decades and now they want the Tribe to make large donation for them to keep the buses running for Pala.
Bonsall school district is a public school not a private school so how can they charge $500 per student to take them to school and home again.
The District includes Pala and so they are required to bus the kids.
Maybe they found out that there is a child molester on the school board, meaning Eric Ortega Garcia.
This needs to be brought up at the next meeting on the 14th.
So i guess the parents will be responsible for the transportation of there own kids.
I wonder why they are imposing this fee to the Pala parents?
At a meeting not to long ago Robert stated that they just donated $50,000 TO THE BONSALL SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THIS PURPOSE OR WAS IT A COVER UP BY THE EC AND SPENT THE MONEY ELSE WHERE.
There is no list of the Kupa that traveled on the wagons from Warners Springs to Pala. There is a Census that conducted by the tribal agent from 1902 of the Kupa. There is also a 1903 Census which might include people that wanted to be counted so they could get land and support from the federal government so it is not the best list. Many people left the village before removal. Some went to live with family at other reservations. Some went to live off rez. And some ended up at Pala after the removal. The 1905 Pala Census is separated into Old Pala, Cupeno, and San Felipe. That is probably the best record of who left the village and ended up at Pala, but there is no way to say that they came in the wagons.
Thank you 9:42 AM
I will give this to the person that is doing me a favor by researching some documents that i have found about 10 years ago that were in a trash can at the old tribal hall.
Why is the EC so set on banishing the Trujillo boy that shot another man in the ass.
They didn't take any action against Anthony Boles, the Allen woman or Smiths daughter who were jailed for over a year because of there involvement in the murder of Bradley.
Even Smiths daughter was arrested with illegal guns and dope in her vehicle and no action was taken on her either.
What she did was for sure a direct threat to the Pala reservation.
Robert Smith should banish himself from the Reservation because he is for sure 100% a direct threat to the people living in Pala.
I for one, will vote "NO"to banish this Tribal member
from the reservation for being a direct threat to the reservation.
No knows if he is the guilty party that started the problem as of yet.
He has not even had a trial yet.
This should be tabled until such time as he is brought to trial and see the outcome of the trial.
There are people / tribal members that have spent over a year in jail on charges of Murder and nothing was done as to their residency on the reservation.
Why are the EC targeting this member for banishment.
VOTE NO ON THIS ISSUE UNTIL THE EC TREATS ALL OF IT'S MEMBERS EQUALLY. INCLUDING SMITHS DAUGHTER WHO WAS A PERSON OF INTEREST IN A MURDER ON THE RESERVATION.
AND ALSO SMITH AND HIS BROTHER ANDREW WHO HAVE COMMITTED
THE SAME CRIMES ON THE RESERVATION AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO EITHER OF THEM.
ALSO REMEMBER SMITHS DAUGHTER WAS ARRESTED FOR DRUGS AND
HAVE HAVING ILLEGAL ASSAULT WEAPONS IN HER VEHICLE AND WET TO JAIL. THAT'S A DIRECT THREAT.
DEFENDING YOUR KID BROTHER AGAINST A GROWN MAN IS NOT A DIRECT THREAT IT IS A NORMAL REACTION TO THE ISSUE IN QUESTION.
There is more to this issue that the people do not know know and that the EC is not telling you.
So don't vote for banishing/evicting this man until all the evidence and the trial has taken place.
In fact it would be a good idea if the general membership would vote "NO" on all the issues that the EC wants passed until the chairman and the treasurer come clean and give the answers to questions that the people want.
No more lies and hiding shit from the membership.
And for sure demand an Audit of all the financial of the Tribe.
The and only then will the truth be known to all what is happening to the money issues of PBMI.
And if the EC refuses to do what is voted on the motion for impeachment and get the crooks out of the EC and out of pala for good as they are a direct threat to all the pala residents on the reservation.
The money issues at PBMI are mainly caused by Smith.
He uses the Tribes money to donate his way into all of those outside boards that he sits on.
Why else would they make him the chairman of the board in so many different areas.
He donates to all of these business boards that he sits on and sooner or later he talks his way into becoming the chairman of the board all the while using the Bands money to accomplish his goals.
He thinks that by him siting on so many different boards that his legacy will be an excellent one.
However by the time he dies my goal is to show the public the real Robert Harrison Smith, for what he really is.
And that is a lying, cheating, corrupt, thieving,
low life,murdering, drugged out son of a bitch.
That's the legacy that Robert H. Smith will leave behind
and pass it on to his daughters, if they are really his daughters you know Mike Lucio's soon to be stepdaughters.
Let me lay it down for you! This is how it works, smith donates the tribes money to many organizations in turn they place him on the board and in some cases he holds the seat of chairman of the board. He gets payed for sitting on all these boards and now has several paychecks coming in from percap, EC, 12 boards. By smith making all this legitimate income it makes it easier to hide or cover up his stolen money from Pala. He is legitimately making hundreds of thousands a year so he can justify his purchases and most people won’t notice him spending extra money he has stolen from Pala. Including his daughters who he puts items under their names as well. We have all noticed the several cars he and his daughters drive around. His daughters only receive percap which has consistently gone down so they cannot afford the things they have without fathers help. He spreads the money around through the family so it’s divided up between several people and harder to notice. He also has accounts that he hides money in to save for later or when they go on vacation. These accounts have millions. This is his runaway money and what his family will use as a safety net when things go under. Smith and nieto are driving Pala’s finances into such a mess that when things go under there will be so much money missing gone here and there and bad investments and payments that several millions over the years will not be accounted for or traced. This is the plan.
Why do people keeping fighting in court,it takes years and rejected,we need to find a way to come together and fight the ec.thats where the problem is,why wast money in court.T courts will never help indian tribes.So what can we do?.
Talk to everyone that you can trust and get together and go to a meeting and motion to start impeachment and have the motion second and take a vote by show of hands.
That's the simplest way.
Just make sure that everyone is on the same page when you do it.
Once the motion is made and second and a vote is taken it's a done deal.
Also if you can swing it have someone record it with there cell phone or a voice recorder so you have it on tape/video.
VOTE TO NOT BANISH OR EVICT A TRIBAL MEMBER AT TO NIGHTS MEETING.
DON'T TAKE THE WORD OF A NONMEMBER OVER A MEMBER BECAUSE HIS FAMILY IS ON THE EC.
HE HAS NOT EVEN BEEN TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW AS OF YET.
IF HE IS EVICTED OR BANISHED AND THEN FOUND NOT GUILTY
OF THE CRIME HE IS ACCUSED OF THEN IT IS WRONG AND CAN'T BE REVERSED.
SO VOTE IT DOWN OR TABLE IT UNTIL HE HAS HIS DAY IN COURT.
THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THIS THAN ANYONE KNOWS SO LET THE COURTS DECIDE HIS FATE FIRST.
AND LOOK AT ALL THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU CAST ANY VOTE TO EVICT OR BANISH THIS TRIBAL MEMBER.
Agree
See how easy it was to go against the EC on this eviction of a Tribal member.
All it takes is standing up to them like the people did at this meeting.
Each person had a chance to explain there part of the
incident and why they felt that this eviction was wrong.
And a motion was made by the father of the man that got shot to banish the shooter, a Tribal member, from the Reservation a vote was taken and the motion was defeated
by a majority vote.
That's because the General Membership was able to hear both sides of the story and determined that it would be in the best interest of the young man charged with the shooting to remain with his parents.
The same thing should have been done with the disenrollments that the EC has done because the General Membership were not given the chance to hear all the evidence that the EC says that they have to justify the disenrollments and hear to the evidence that the disenrolled family members had to defend this action.
So legally the disenrollments were not done according to the Tribes own constitution.
It wasn't the Tribe that took this action it was done by 6 people who had ill feelings toward this family because of two Tribal members that opposed the EC for their wrong doings so the EC took this action and used fake documents to get rid of these members.
So members of PBMI continue to stand up to Robert Smith and his EC and make them reverse this action on the disenrollments and bring these people back where they truly belong.
And what the fuck was the EC afraid of at the last meeting having a metal detector that you had to enter through before going into the meeting.
That's not custom or tradition for meetings.
That is down right foolish.
To me that's like going to Mass to Sunday and before go to receive Communion you have go through a metal detector
first.
And also having a Sheriffs Deputy patrolling the parking lot.
Shit the real threats are siting at the EC desk looking down on people.
@ 2:22pm
After all the evidence that the government has that proves that Robert and Nieto used an illegal document
to disenroll the Britten family, that not one enrolled
tribal member has stood up for them and tried to get the disenrollments reversed.
Why hasn't it been brought up at one of your meetings to have the EC show all the evidence that they used.
I am for one very surprised that none of your people has has attempted to do something to the ones that pushed this action.
What has happened to the brave people of the Pala tribe that used to be afraid of nothing, especially a low life like Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto who have not even been left with a scratch from their action.
Back in the old days the people would have done something to them, either beat the shit out of them or maybe even killed one or all of them.
I guess all the brave one are no longer living.
True 3:40 PM and Robert Smith knows this that's why he pushes his shit on the people in Pala.
This all started after John Chutnicut passed a way
because Rob new that he could not get away with the disenrollments if John were still alive because John would have stood up to Rob like he did many times before.
And now that King Freeman is gone to a better place Rob thinks that he is safe to do as he pleases.
And Rob doesn't except anyone one else to try to do anything about his corruption, but he is totally wrong on so many levels because there are still some of us left that will not give up until Robert Smith, Theresa Nieto and Dion Perez are either ousted or die.
And that is a promise to our elders and our ancestors that have passed on.
Trust me when i say that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The longer that Smith and Nieto are siting in charge, the longer myself and a few others have to get the dirt that will send them to prison where they belong because death is to good for them.
They need to know how it feels to hurt and struggle like they are making others do.
We will never give up the fight for justice for our people at any cost.
The current EC members should be given a lie detector test and see if they can pass it.
That's not to much to ask for.
We tribal members had to go through a medal detector at the last tribal meeting.
And the EC members didn't have to go through it, is it because they are better than any other member.
Get even with them and no one show up for the next meeting and show your support involving the lies and corruption of the leaders of PBMI.
Good idea, boycott the corrupt bastards.They can't pass anything without your vote.
Just make sure that there is not enough people to have a meeting.
Just have someone send a notice to the EC stating that the on Wednesday have been canceled.
Sorry for any problems that we have caused you.
The next meeting will be held when we are good and ready.
Sincerely,
Pissed off members.
All of this is on Robert. All the deaths, killings, murders, drugs, hostility, violence, rape, division, confusion, etc., etc.,is all due to his pure hate and disdain for a couple of people so he spewed his vengeance on that whole family. Pala would be as it was beforehand when there was no Robert. It would have been better if he was never born. He is a plague and a curse to pala and to his family. He will go down in history as the worst chairman ever to a band and the worst person ever in humanity. No one will show up to his funeral except people he paid and people just making sure he is really dead. His headstone will say here lies some villainous scourge feel free to pis here.
And the mound on his grave will not be dirt, it will be BUFFALO SHIT instead.
Can't wait to see the day that he is sent to hell.
Candice Castillo from Pala was found dead this morning in the laundry room at her dads house in Pala.
Don't be surprised if her boyfriend gets charged.
He was very abusive towards her.
Your a fuckin psycho you dumbass evil ass pussy don’t speak on issues you know nothing about he wasn’t even there pussy.
Go suck a big dick 1:52 PM like you use to do.
Who do you think your talking to? You want to be making some fucked up lies and accusations going on here anonymous. Put your fucking name ballsy
The ec. used the 1928 application, call bia they will tell you this is what Pala uses now.
If the 1928 applications are what pala uses now then the tribe will be around 200 members by the the end of next year.
But the general membership doesn't seem to care other wise they would put a stop to all this bullshit now while they still can.
Guess Rob just bit himself in the ass then because his grandfather, Domingo Moro relinquished all of his native rights which includes his children on down...
Maybe, but the Executive Committee is also the Enrollment Committee. They can make up the rules as they go along. Or they can selectively choose which records to use. Or they can change blood degree. As soon as anyone points out the errors they make, they rush to their lawyers to figure out how to fix it. The only real fix will be to get them out of office and go back to the laws that were actually voted on. But the elections are rigged. Pala members will continue to be under the thumb of a tyrant probably until he dies. Better watch out because he may try to pass the Chairman's office to his chosen successor.
The best thing to do when Smith and Nieto are gone or dead is to shut down the Admin building and have an Audit team come in and do the long overdue Audit of all the Bands assets and see where we stand.
And second on the list is to give the power back to the general membership where it belongs.
These are the steps that will bring back the history of PBMI like it should be.
The end of Smith and Nieto will be the end of all the corruption and hate that these two assholes have cause
because someone called them out for their evil doings.
If you ever want the truth this is the only way to get it.
And the longer you wait the harder it will be because everyday that passes is another day that you are giving them to cover up their tracks and steal more of your money.
I attended the funeral Saturday for for the Castillo girl and i was very surprized at what i heard going on behind me.
Anna Ravago and her daughter Marika were saying some very bad things to the Trujillo boy that was involved with the shooting of the Ravago man.
They were calling him a piece of shit among other bad names. this all took place at the graveyard while the service was going on.
I have been friends with Ana Ravago for many years and even traveled with her and had lunch with her many times
and i am very disappointed in the manner in which they choose to vent their feelings on the Trujillo man.
The Trujillo man just stood there and did not say anything back to either woman.
Ana and her daughter are not Tribal members and could be risking their right to live in Pala if enough Tribal members witnessed their outrage at the graveyard.
At a meeting last month a vote was taken after a motion was made by Mr. Ravago to banish Mr. Trujillo and the motion was highly defeated in favor of the Trujillo man
to stay on the Reservation and that should have ended the issue.
The graveyard was no place for these women to vent on anyone and they should be sent a letter from the Tribe stating so before there are any problems between the two family's involved.
The issue was settled by the adult members at a meeting
and thats the end of the issue.
Being non members that are disrespecting people in the Tribal Cemetery is not a good thing either way you look at it.
I am very disappointed in Ana and her daughter for their actions and will think twice before i agree to travel or have lunch with either of them again.
Thank you for not responding to the 2 women. They had no business or right disrespecting my niece's services. "That Trujillo " boy is a distance relative of Candace and had every right to be there to pay his respect.
Anna just take care of your family and let justice take its course.
That's a good idea 10:07 AM
It would be terrible to see Anna kick off the Reservation
with her daughter because of this issue.
Remember the vote at the meeting it was like 97% in favor of the Trujillo man.
So if they are bulling him they better be very careful.
Ana was already banned before because of her mouth, she can be banned again.
Maybe this they should banish her for good with no chance to come back into or around the Pala Reservation.
If i were the Trujillo Boy i would contact an Attorney and get a restraining order against Anna and her family
to not be bulling him or his family.
That way there is a record if they violate the order and will be subject to arrest.
At the very least the Trujillo man should contact the Sheriffs department about what they are doing so there will be a record on file with the sheriffs dept.
Also let the Tribe be aware of the bulling so they can take any and all actions to protect the the members of the tribe being that the Trujillo man is an enrolled Pala Tribal member.
There was also another issue at the gathering where on of the adults told one of the Pala security that he should make the Trujillo man leave the gathering because he is nothing but trouble and the security said that the man has a right to be there at the gathering and was not doing anything wrong.
Don’t forget what she’s going through that Trujillo man shot a kid in the back.
He shot him in the ass.
That would be a great title for a country music song.
However that doesn't make it okay to continue to bad mouth other family members of the man that shot him.
By this bad mouthing it will only get worse if it is not put to rest now.
No more excuses, no more bulling anyone, just let it go and let the justice system take it route.
If restraining orders are needed then go ahead and get them and wait for the outcome of the courts.
That would be a way to protect both parties involved.
I don't believe that the Tribe will stand for two non tribal members bulling other tribal members and should help put this issue to sleep before it turn violent again.
And as far as Anna and her daughter goes, they should have "NEVER" disrespected the service of the Castillo girl like they did and they should be told so by the girls family and by the EC.
The tribe needs to take any steps possible to protect the members of Pala no matter who gets butt hurt.
No pun intended to the man that got shot in the ass.
I believe the best outcome for now would be for the Trujillo man to contact the Sheriffs dept and let them know what happened at the graveyard and at the gathering so it is on the record and will make it easier to obtain a restraining order.
@ 9:38 AM
True but she should also be thankful the it didn't turn out worse, he could have been killed or confined to a wheel chair.
I this is not stopped it will get worse.
I think the Mrs. Ravago is trying to get the Trujillo man to do something so they can go back to the Tribe and have him banished.
But what she doesn't realize is that she is the one that is being a direct threat to the Reservation by bulling the family members of the shooter and that can get her banished from the Reservation for life this time.
What family members. The poster said the Trujillo man.
This is hearsay but i was told that Anna also said some nasty things to the Trujillo mans little brother while riding her bike through the neighbor hood where the Trujillo man lives.
This kid is under the age of 18 and is still considered a child according to the law.
This could be a direct threat to a child if they push the issue with the sheriffs department.
I think that this issue needs to be brought up and taken care of asap at a meeting.
The Trujillo man is doing nothing wrong and he is obeying the laws and rules of PBMI.
I believe that Anna is in the wrong by bulling him and trying to get him riled up to do something so the Tribe will banish him.
As long as he doesn't do something stupid and remain cool he is being a better person than expected.
Anna has been known to have a mouth and has a problem keeping it shut sometimes but that does not give her the right to continue this bulling of the Trujillo man or his family members.
I think that the EC should take some kind of action against her until she stops causing problems.
Even though she is married to a tribal member she has no right to be so disrespectful like she is, especially at
a funeral service like the one for the Castillo girl.
When you do evil things in the tribal cemetery like that you take that with you when you leave the cemetery.
I think that Ana is just mad at the whole world because of her smile.
When she smiles and shows her teeth it looks like she could eat corn on the cob through a picket fence.
no thanks for a BJ from her.
All joking aside i think that there needs to be some kind of action taken against her for her actions against a Band member.
Sure the Trujillo man screwed up and he is paying the price for his actions and the members of PBMI have voted to not banish him from the Reservation.
And he is still fighting to stay out of Prison for his actions.
However that does not make it okay for Ana or her daughter (a non member also)to continue to bully the Trujillo man.
Why should a Tribal Member be expected to take such abuse from people that are not even part of the Tribe.
The EC,which are supposed to serve and protect "ALL" of the tribal members from direct threat from others, especially non tribal members should take some kind of action against these two women.
Even if it is in the form of a fine or put on Tribal probation.
Something needs to happen before it gets way out of hand.
I truly believe that the Trujillo man should, without any doubt get a restraining order against Anna and her family
as soon as possible.
Then if there is anymore bulling then the sheriffs can arrest them and let the courts decide their fate.
Do it right and save yourselves the problems.
I doubt that the EC has the balls to do anything about it
because there is nothing in it for them.
Truly, there is something wrong with the way you people think. I have no connection to either of the two parties, but clearly, you people make no sense at all. Two wrongs are being compared, one in which a human being could have killed another human being, and you are outraged because someone said something! WTF is wrong with you people? Or is it one person talking back and forth to himself. Obviously, if it's two or more people, I think you are all a true indication of what is wrong with pala. pala has a long history of being dysfunctional place, with dysfunctional people, and you have pretty much captured it all in one silly thread. I'd like to see you make it in the real world, but now I see why the community is truly a screwed up community. Is it wrong to create drama at a funeral? Yes. But is it also wrong to shoot a man? Yes. Is one evil greater than the other? Yes. Which one is it, anyone will common sense knows. You sir, have no common sense.
As one of Candace's many Uncles, I am angry that Ana and her daughter brought their drama to my nieces funeral. The Trujillo boy did wrong, but until the full story comes out IN COURT, the 2 women's actions seems as if they are covering up what really happened. The TRIBE voted to allow Mr Trujillo to remain on the reservation until the court hearing, none of which is the Ravago women's business. No one knows the real story, and Tobo is NOT the innocent bystander. Ana, both you and Marika owe the Castillo family an apology for the complete disrespect you showed at my nieces funeral.
@ 5:11 AM
Put the pipe down and get some sleep.
You are no better by judging someone else.
You probably don't even know the full story.
@ 6:20 AM
I totally agree with your post and she and her daughter should apologize to the Castillo family and the Trujillo man as well.
She could have waited until after the service was over before she opened her mouth but choose to do it while the service was going on and that is very disrespectful to the family.
I am glad that Mr. Trujillo held his cool and didn't respond to her and her daughters statements.
That shows that he was there to pay his respects to the Castillo family and that more than i can say for the Ravago women.
@5:11AM
For one you have to understand the customs and traditions
of our tribe here in Pala.
There is a lot more to being a member of the tribe than just sitting back and enjoying whatever comes our way.
There are things that we believe in and hold scared that were taught to us by our ancestors.
That's why a lot of outsiders think that we are crazy or not up to par according to there teachings by there parents.
Sometimes the way that our ancestors taught us about customs and traditions is misunderstood to people that don't live on the Reservations.
To understand what happened at the Cemetery last week
you would have to understand the customs and traditions of our tribe.
Most of us were raised by those teachings and we practice them daily by living on the Reservation.
So what might seem like a bunch of crazy Indians just being loud mouths to some are not being as such.
One of our customs is never to do or speak bad things
at a funeral service while in the cemetery, that is totally disrespectful to the family of the one that has passed on and most believe that the bad things that you do in the cemetery like that , you take it with you when you leave and that can be very bad.
If Toby only knew about Anna's trips out of state he would probably kick her out for good.
Some of the pictures i seen of her and her 2 friends drinking in a bar when they went to Ireland watching a male stripper.
Your making the shooting was premeditated with all your bad talk.
Premeditated by the other side.
The tribal members already voted on this issue but Anna
doesn't like the outcome of the vote so she keeps right on bulling the Trujillo man and his siblings for it.
She needs to be stopped from doing this somehow before things get worse and another person gets hurt.
I believe that she is trying to get a response out of the Trujillo man so they can ask to tribe to banish him from the Reservation for good.
But she should leave it alone because it will backfire in her face if she doesn't.
Why ? because her son is no saint by any means, just check his arrest records and see for yourselves.
Not helping. You done more hurt.
Pala customs and traditions are not unique in regard to acceptable behavior at funerals and burials. People come to show their grief over the loss of a loved one, perhaps to offer respect for the deceased individual, or to offer prayers for a good afterlife. These attendees expect and deserve the decency of all who come to mourn.
Sometimes people might wish that the deceased receives justice for wrongdoing that went unpunished during a lifetime, but will remain silent out of respect for the other attendees, respect for the venue, or for the spirits of their own antecedents. I suspect there a few people reading this blog who don't understand proper behavior at burials and funerals.
The custom and tradition you describe is actually just common decency that nearly all civilized people observe. If Pala members have a sacred trust shared across generations it would have be something unique to their culture.
Here is a prayer for you Mr. Smith and Mrs. Nieto.
May you both hurry and die so we can all heal and be rid of the hate and corruption that has spread through our once happy tribe.
You both deserve the worst for what you have done to PBMI
and its members.
May you both spend an eternity in the fire pits of hell.
Wishing that the FED's would come and lock you up has taken its toll on everyone that you have hurt.
So we all pray for and end to all of this hate that you both have created and it seems that that only answer is death upon the both of you.
So we all continue to say this prayer every day and hope it will be answered very soon.It is really to bad the neither of you can admit the truth about anything and help us all heal.
But i guess that is a far fetched fix for you both.
So we pray for your deaths to happen as soon as possible
so this bullshit will end.
You are both so evil and corrupt that you may have a hard time getting into hell because the devil will be afraid that you both will want to take his place and run hell your way because you both make the devil look like a saint.
So hurry up and go on hospice and end this ,please.
Amen!! There are many of us tribal members wishing and hoping this same prayer will happen to smith and nieto for the hurt they have caused so many tribal members especially the disenrolled. They have messed with our lively hood and taken everyone’s fair share for themselves. They steal from the casino before the money is counted into the tribe. They have forgotten they are suppose to be elected officials and work on behalf of the people not themselves. They have rigged the elections so easily that they don’t even sweat during election time that they could lose all their power. They actually believe their own lies they tell everyone and when proven wrong Robert throws a tantrum and punishes the ones who didn’t do what he said. Besides his brother and family the only people that hang around him is for their benefit and perks of being one of Roberts lackey’s. Nobody really likes the big baby because of the way he acts. They just tolerate him to receive extra benefits. Remember when a bunch of tribal members had a special meeting at the church next to admin and Robert had people filming at the fence. On that Monday he threw one of his tantrum’s and fired anyone who worked for the tribe that was at that meeting. They walked out the admin with their papers. I wish the people would gather again like they did that day and stand up to smith and nieto and march in the admin building and demand answers about the finances and disenrollments.
Does anyone else feel this way about Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto?
If you do then please join us in our prayers to end the lives of these evil doers.
It is not a sin to pray for something good, so don't be afraid to join in on the prayer squad against evil people like Smith and Nieto because it's the only way to save your people and family members from the horns of these satin raised, two faced no good son of a bitches.
Yes we do but what can we do.
So rumors around Pala are that Anna Ravago is bad mouthing the Trujillo name again.
That's one of the statements that she made in court this afternoon while at the sentencing hearing for the teen that shot her kid in the ass.
So i am backing the Trujillo family if they want to go to the Tribe and have her banished from Pala, again for slandering this family.
I am sure that there would be a lot of members that would vote to have her gone from pala.
She is has a hard time keeping her "BIG" mouth shut so it's time to show her that she can't keep bad mouthing people on the Reservation, especially a family that has done nothing to her.
She seems to be blaming the entire family for what took place and that is just not right.
So i hope they go to the EC and get it on the agenda ASAP and teach her a lesson.
She will get no backing from the members.
It looks like you should have kept your big mouth shut Anna because it looks like it is finally going to get you in some serious trouble.
The only reason you are even here is because you are married to a band member.
However that does not give you the right to slander an entire family for something that was done to you son.
Especially when you son was partly to blame as it was decided at a tribal meeting.
You should have let sleeping dogs lye because if you don't they will bite you.
And i think that you are about to get bitten.
The children of Anna Ravago are not tribal members and should be treated the same as non members are treated.
They should not be bad mouthing tribal members for any reason and should have let the courts decide the you man fate.
However they have chosen to make it their mission the degrade the entire family of the man that shot her son in the ass. So whatever happens, happens.
And for her to say that the Trujillo name is shit in court is taking things a little to far in my opinion
and she needs to be taught a lesson.
So if she doesn't put a stop to her big mouth then i agree the the Tribe needs to impose some type of punishment on her.
Either by a fine of $5000.00 dollars and some sort
tribal probation or banishment from Pala for a period of 3 years or both, fine and banishment.
Let the people decide at a tribal meeting if the EC won't.
We all know what the peoples decision would be because she is loosing a lot of respect because of her mouth.
Stop instigating trouble. Just stop. You seem to enjoy keeping people riled up. Pray for healing instead.
What Anna has and is doing is wrong, that we agree on,however.....there are many others on the reservation that need to be addressed. Let's go after the very well known drug dealers and houses, let's be honest, everyone knows who they are. The root of many wrong issues here in Pala are drug based. Get rid of the "rotten roots" and plant healthy,nurturing plants. Start by getting ourselves cleaned up, take an actual interest in our children. Give them a more positive role models. Anna needs to friggin grow up, she is the least of Pala's problem.
That's true 8:21 about Anna being the least of Pala's problems but by her going on and on she will put herself
in the biggest problem that Pala has.
By her going after an entire family by bad mouthing them
is going to cause unwanted violence between these two families.
And that is not a remedy to fix any thing.
This is where the Tribe needs to step in and take control of this issue for the safety of all members before any more violence erupts because Anna will not stop bad mouthing on her own and all the members know this.
Wasn't she banded once before for her loose mouth?.
Yes she was.
Maybe it's time to give her a banishment for at least 2 years to give her time to keep her mouth shut.
I know at least 60 members that would vote to have gone.
That is after asking them personally what they thought about her harassing this family.
This is a big problem in Pala.
The outsiders think that the Reservation belongs to them and that they have more rights on the reservation than real tribal members do.
What was Anna Ravago banished from Pala for ?
And how long ago was it?
Thanks.
If I remember correctly, it was in the late 1990's, early 1980's. It was because of her gossiping, harassing Toby at the time (before they were together).
Thanks
I will try to find it in the meeting minutes and move on from there.
She can not get away with this a second time and it will not get buried in a stack of forgotten files.
If this is what it will take for her to stop bulling the family of the Trujillo man then so be it.
As soon as i can find the minutes from the meeting i will
proceed with the lifetime banishment of her from the Pala Reservation.
Oops, meant the late 1970's to early 80's..
I wondered why i couldn't find anything in the minutes that i have searched.
So i will go through my stack again for those years.
Thanks.
Also i just heard that there has been a few people that have expressed their concerns about Anna's tactics
concerning this issue to the EC.
So we will see if the EC is going to do anything about it as well.
I really doubt it but we will be watching.
Why is she so dead set on bad mouthing the Trujillo family members when her son was not an innocent bystander
on this issue.
The Trujillo youth was sentenced to 16 years in State Prison for his crime against Tobo Ravago.
That is a pretty harsh sentence for what he did and she just can't leave it alone.
I am for banishing her from Pala Reservation for life because her big mouth is just stirring up more trouble for everyone, even people that were not involved in this issue.
I hope that the Law enforcement investigating this issue
puts her son in jail for his part also.
It is said that at the time he was in the hospital that he did test positive for meth in his system.
And that shines a new light on this issue.
And if this happens, it will be his mothers mouth that gets him arrested.
This time make a harsh banishment, make it an exclusion
and not an eviction.
That way she can't come back and harass anyone one else.
You have my family's vote.
That's approx. 28 votes to vote for exclusion.
This issue is going to be put on the Feb. agenda per a
good source.
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