Friday, July 12, 2019

Pala News

Thanks to folks in the comment section for pointing out some news coming out of Pala.

Here are the links:



July 5, 2019 Press Enterprise - Pala Casino, Spa & Resort cancels remainder of themed pool party events



July 9, 2019 Fox5 Man wounded in shooting at Pala Indian Reservation


58 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sad news in La Jolla yesterday.
Mitzi Magante passed away after a long fought battle with cancer.
May she now rest in peace.

Anonymous said...

It’s funny no one has anything to say but when it comes to the other families we hear all kinds of news.

Anonymous said...

Who gave the EC the authority to evict or banish a Tribal member without a vote from the general membership at a meeting?
That's exactly what the EC has done to the shooter in the fight that took place in pala about 5 days ago.
The person's that started the fight didn't get in any trouble from the EC.
How can the EC evict or banish a Tribal member without the authority of the People?

Anonymous said...

Hell yeah

Anonymous said...

Don't forget who the trouble maker is related to on the EC
He is Tony RAVAGO'S nephew and Theresa Nieto's cousin.
He is allowed to sell pot and other drugs in pala without
any type punishment.
I always thought that the EC had to get the approval of the general membership before evicting or banishing anyone
from the Reservation, especially a tribal member.
If i am wrong please let me know.

Anonymous said...

Toby and Anna’s son was a drug dealer?

Anonymous said...

Check his arrest record it speaks for it self.
He doesn't even half to pay non member water and trash.
He is not an enrolled member of the PBMI.

Anonymous said...

Who ?

Anonymous said...

TOBO RAVAGO.

Anonymous said...

You are right 3:19 AM his arrest record does indicate that he has been arrested for drug use and other things
concerning drugs.
And yet the EC takes no action against a non member because he got his ass shot by a tribal member who was defending his kid brother.
Something is very wrong with this action.
In the first place the general membership did not give Robert Smith and the EC a vote to do this action of eviction/banishment from the Reservation which according to the Tribes own constitution requires that the general memberships vote is required to give the EC the power to enact this option for eviction/banishment of a Tribal member from the Reservation.
So the EC has again acted outside there scope of authority by doing this action without proper authority to do so.
The member that was banished should file an appeal for this action against him for the simple fact that the EC acted without the authority of the people and lack of due process.

Anonymous said...

Boo hoo...Robert is not following the rules..awe sad face...does he ever? He does whatever he wants in Pala and nobody is going to do anything about it. He knows this so he could care less about all this talk in here because he knows it’s just talk. We’re all tired of everyone complaining about Robert and nieto stealing from the tribe and not following tribal law. Well either do something about it or get over it. Once he dies from his failing health and we get a new EC then we can take it out on his family and nieto and dion’s family. I know nobody will ever forget what Robert and his followers did and they will pay one day. This can bring some comfort to everyone because nothing will happen until that time even with all this talk.

Anonymous said...

All of the talk and no action is something i don't understand.
Wouldn't it be better to do something about Smith and Nieto while they are still alive and kicking so they can suffer the effects of what they have done?.
The reason that i feel this way is because neither of them could care less what their family WILL endure after they are dead.
Both of them are so caught up in their self image that they will do what ever they can to protect that image at any cost.
They want the public to think that they are the Gods of the reservation and that's why they do what they do.
Theresa Nieto is a lying bitch to most all Tribal members, but to the outside people she has a total different face. She acts like she is the number one person that controls the members of the Band and that's final.
She does control Robert Smith and he can't make any decisions concerning any issues concerning the Tribe without getting approval from Nieto.
They both need to be held accountable for their action and corruption while they are both alive.
They need to suffer like they have made others suffer.
Sure after they are dead Pala can heal but the real healing would be to see the ones responsible for the corruption and lies to pay for it.
So the only way to make that happen is to either give what you know to the FBI or impeach them both.The decision is resting on the General Members and they will have to all get together and make that decision as a group in order to make that happen.

Anonymous said...

Per cap should be going up now. Right guys ? Haha

Anonymous said...

Robert did the right thing.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:01pm
What did Robert do that was the right thing??

Anonymous said...

@ 8:01 did smith die or step down?
That would be the only right thing that i can think of.

Anonymous said...

Like he did with his own daughters, tearing down Anthony Boles house to destroy evidence?

Anonymous said...

He wouldn't know whats right if it hit him in his balls,
if he even has any, which i doubt that he does.

Anonymous said...

That's why he didn't want Mike Lucio around Pala and his wife, who was once in love with Mike Lucio and is Jodi's father.
But Mike Lucio will never go away very far and will someday be driving all of Robs vehicle around the Rez.
AND WHO KNOWS MAYBE Mike will even get one of Robs daughters to have his baby.
How cool would that be, Rob would be the grandfather of Mike Lucio's baby.

Anonymous said...

I drove past the Nieto's house last night and noticed that Roy AND Theresa bought another new motor home.
I am willing to bet anyone that they didn't pay any sales tax on it.
Why else would the dealership deliver it to the Reservation but to only avoid paying sales tax on something.
Just roughly figuring the sales tax on this motor home would be approx. $ 12,500.00 dollars worth of sales tax
that they screwed the state out of.
But the tribal members would never ever think that their little princes " Theresa Nieto",would cheat anyone out of a dollar.
BULLSHIT.

Anonymous said...

ALSO I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE TRIBE DID FINANCE THE THEIR NEW MOTOR HOME PER THE DEALERSHIP,EVEN AFTER A LETTER WAS SENT OUT STATING THAT ALL LOANS, EVEN AUTO LOANS WERE SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
I guess Nieto forgot to send herself that notice that she signed.
The letter was sent out to all Tribal Members but doesn't apply to illegally enrolled members.

Anonymous said...

All tribal members are entitled to deffered sales tax on large items delivered to the reservation....I dont understand your argument.

Anonymous said...

When a tribal member buys or leases a new vehicle and lives on the reservation and the tribal members spouse is a non Indian they have to pay one half of the states sales tax.
However if you check the sales/lease agreement on the motor home in question you will see that the sales tax on this purchase/lease was ZERO sales tax and the Dealer didn't even deliver it to the Reservation the buyer took position of the vehicle at the dealership which by law in the state of California does not deffer the sales tax.
If the vehicle is registered to both parties they must, by law pay the states sales tax if they are married and one of them is not a tribal member.
Even if it is a off terrain type vehicle like four wheel
desert toys/ dune buggies and such they have to pat the states tax on them if a non members name is used on the purchase, that's the law.
The spouse of the person buying/leasing the vehicle in question is a Mexican and he is NOT entitled to be tax free from any and all things bought that his name appears on the sales contract.

Anonymous said...

DO YOU HEAR THIS IRS ?
INVESTIGATE INSTEAD OF JUST SITING ON YOU ASSES AND LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
IT IS ABUSE OF POWER BY AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS ON THE RESERVATION.
THAT WOULD EVEN MAKE IT A FEDERAL CRIME AND A STATE CRIME
SO WHO IS GOING TO PROSECUTE, STATE OR FEDERAL?

Anonymous said...

That is not true...you can still get tax breaks at dealerships. Also, maybe the vehicle is in her name only.

Anonymous said...

Also depends on the person's credit history. Not everyone needs to go through the Tribe for a loan, we didn't.

Anonymous said...

That's not the point 7:17.
The point is that if she did finance it through the Tribe
then that is wrong on so many levels.
The Tribe sent out letters last month stating that all loans were suspended including auto loans.
So if they did finance3 it through the Tribe then that mean that the EC are the only ones that can get loans.
That money that comes in through Tribal enterprises belongs to the whole Tribe not just 6 people.
And for her to get financing on this motor home from the Tribe is putting everyone else on a waiting list until the EC wants to help the members of PBMI.
Non members have more priority than members anyway.

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Anonymous said...

Yeah 86 all the ones that wanna fuck up. Shooting around our Rez we got enough problems and kick the parents out too for raising their kids all fucked up while trying to hide behind the Bible. Shut that ugly ass church down too. Fuckin hypocrites. They’re gonna fuck around and end up causing a war. We need to set a example.

Anonymous said...

Are you talking about the girl that got arrested with all kinds of guns and drugs in her car.

Anonymous said...

@ 11:36 AM
It sounds like you are setting a real good example for your kids and family.
Bad mouthing everyone for actions of a single person who hasn't even been to trial and found guilty of the crime he is accused of.
What kind of example is that.
It also sounds like your are the fucking hypocrite that you are talking about.
I didn't see you post anything about the Chairman's daughter when she was arrested with all the guns and illegal weapons in her car.
Maybe you are right about starting a war.
A war against the corruption and bullshit that that Robert and Theresa Nieto are guilty of starting.
But i guess that's okay with you.
If you would take the same stance against the ones that have turned this reservation sideways then maybe you would be on to something.
It's the leaders that let this kind of shit happen on the reservation by teaching the young ones that crimes do pay.
And further more you you blaming the entire church for
this is way out there for sure.
I guess that you don't like the church that prays for peace on the reservation and prays for the survival of the people that are and have been abused by the corruption of the leaders that are supposed to serve and protect the people living in and around our reservation.
That's a good idea that you have to 86 all the ones that wanna fuck up including the 2 evil doers on the EC, smith and nieto who cover up a lot of shit for some people, like smiths daughter who was caught up with all the weapons and drugs in her car and not even spending a single day in jail, but it looks like karma was served on her anyway, the whip hits got her an served her with a life time of hurt and in a wheelchair.
I don't know who you are but i am sure that you may be a good person but it sounds like you have been hurt by some of the things that have taken place on the reservation, however just remember we are all family here and violence will not save the tribe but a new leadership would.

Anonymous said...

to 11:36 sounds like the Devil is mad.Becareful what you say.

Anonymous said...

I know they’re gonna have a camp meeting how funny they don’t even practice what they preach. Cowards

Anonymous said...

fuck off

Anonymous said...

@ 11:36
Now i know who you are.
I just obtained your IP address and i am not surprised by who it came back to.
You may as well let everyone one know who you are because in 24 hours i am going to post your true identity so everyone will know who you really are.
People will not not be surprised either to learn who the mad poster is.

Anonymous said...

11:36 am is just another loud mouth non CUPA wannabe who can't backup anything that he/she says.
I am sure that you all know who it is by now.
Stay tuned for the name of Mr./Mrs, loud mouth.
Then we can take that name to the next meeting and request the $1000 fine be taken from his/her per capita
for posting on this site, with proof of his/her IP address.
Also he/she may qualify for banishment from the Reservation for being a direct threat to the Reservation and the residents living near by.

Anonymous said...

@ 2:04 am.
Be careful what you say on here,
COWARD.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 100%, however the next step is to find out for sure if she got the loan through the Tribe, if so then something needs to be done.

Anonymous said...

How do you suggest we find out about the financing through the Tribe.
It is probably documented in in a different set of books away from everyone's eyes except Smiths and Nieto.
Just like the two sets of books that are kept for the finances at the Casino.
Nothing will ever be done even if she did finance it at the Tribe because everyone is to afraid to speak up against her and Robert.

Anonymous said...

Pala should do like that Tribe in the amazon did.
Have 50 miners rush the Tribal leader and stab him to death and dump him in a river somewhere.
That's Tribal justice at its finest.
Or find a rattle snake den up in the mountains east of the Reservation and tie them to a tree and arouse the den of rattle snakes and see how long it takes them to die from snake bites.
Agua Tibia mountains would be the best spot because there are timber rattle snakes up there and those suckers are huge, some of them are 3 to 4 inches in diameter and about 5-6 feet long.
I have seen them when i used to go hunting up there when i was a kid.

Anonymous said...

Rattle snakes can't be bought off for money and comps.
And by the time they were trying to call for help there would be no chance for survival from the snake bits.
Also snakes can't be prosecuted for killing anyone.

Anonymous said...

Snakes are like the Chairman of Pala.They get away with killing people.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if there is a list of the Indians that were kicked off the Cupa village and relocated to Pala.
Including all names that were on the wagon trail of tears, including all the children's names.
If so please post it here or let me know somehow.
Thank you.

Anonymous said...

here is some bullshit for PALA to digest.
The Bonsall school district has sent out notices to the parents of Bonsall students stating that there will be
" no"SCHOOL BUSES TAKING THE STUDENTS TO SCHOOL AND HOME AGAIN.
They want the parents to $500 per student for the buses to to run for the school year.
The reason being that the PBMI hasn;t donated enough money this year to run the buses for the students.
I don't understand why this is happening because the buses have been taking the children to and from school for decades and now they want the Tribe to make large donation for them to keep the buses running for Pala.
Bonsall school district is a public school not a private school so how can they charge $500 per student to take them to school and home again.
The District includes Pala and so they are required to bus the kids.
Maybe they found out that there is a child molester on the school board, meaning Eric Ortega Garcia.
This needs to be brought up at the next meeting on the 14th.
So i guess the parents will be responsible for the transportation of there own kids.
I wonder why they are imposing this fee to the Pala parents?
At a meeting not to long ago Robert stated that they just donated $50,000 TO THE BONSALL SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THIS PURPOSE OR WAS IT A COVER UP BY THE EC AND SPENT THE MONEY ELSE WHERE.

Anonymous said...

There is no list of the Kupa that traveled on the wagons from Warners Springs to Pala. There is a Census that conducted by the tribal agent from 1902 of the Kupa. There is also a 1903 Census which might include people that wanted to be counted so they could get land and support from the federal government so it is not the best list. Many people left the village before removal. Some went to live with family at other reservations. Some went to live off rez. And some ended up at Pala after the removal. The 1905 Pala Census is separated into Old Pala, Cupeno, and San Felipe. That is probably the best record of who left the village and ended up at Pala, but there is no way to say that they came in the wagons.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 9:42 AM
I will give this to the person that is doing me a favor by researching some documents that i have found about 10 years ago that were in a trash can at the old tribal hall.

Anonymous said...

Why is the EC so set on banishing the Trujillo boy that shot another man in the ass.
They didn't take any action against Anthony Boles, the Allen woman or Smiths daughter who were jailed for over a year because of there involvement in the murder of Bradley.
Even Smiths daughter was arrested with illegal guns and dope in her vehicle and no action was taken on her either.
What she did was for sure a direct threat to the Pala reservation.
Robert Smith should banish himself from the Reservation because he is for sure 100% a direct threat to the people living in Pala.

Anonymous said...

I for one, will vote "NO"to banish this Tribal member
from the reservation for being a direct threat to the reservation.
No knows if he is the guilty party that started the problem as of yet.
He has not even had a trial yet.
This should be tabled until such time as he is brought to trial and see the outcome of the trial.
There are people / tribal members that have spent over a year in jail on charges of Murder and nothing was done as to their residency on the reservation.
Why are the EC targeting this member for banishment.
VOTE NO ON THIS ISSUE UNTIL THE EC TREATS ALL OF IT'S MEMBERS EQUALLY. INCLUDING SMITHS DAUGHTER WHO WAS A PERSON OF INTEREST IN A MURDER ON THE RESERVATION.
AND ALSO SMITH AND HIS BROTHER ANDREW WHO HAVE COMMITTED
THE SAME CRIMES ON THE RESERVATION AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO EITHER OF THEM.
ALSO REMEMBER SMITHS DAUGHTER WAS ARRESTED FOR DRUGS AND
HAVE HAVING ILLEGAL ASSAULT WEAPONS IN HER VEHICLE AND WET TO JAIL. THAT'S A DIRECT THREAT.
DEFENDING YOUR KID BROTHER AGAINST A GROWN MAN IS NOT A DIRECT THREAT IT IS A NORMAL REACTION TO THE ISSUE IN QUESTION.
There is more to this issue that the people do not know know and that the EC is not telling you.
So don't vote for banishing/evicting this man until all the evidence and the trial has taken place.

Anonymous said...

In fact it would be a good idea if the general membership would vote "NO" on all the issues that the EC wants passed until the chairman and the treasurer come clean and give the answers to questions that the people want.
No more lies and hiding shit from the membership.
And for sure demand an Audit of all the financial of the Tribe.
The and only then will the truth be known to all what is happening to the money issues of PBMI.
And if the EC refuses to do what is voted on the motion for impeachment and get the crooks out of the EC and out of pala for good as they are a direct threat to all the pala residents on the reservation.

Anonymous said...

The money issues at PBMI are mainly caused by Smith.
He uses the Tribes money to donate his way into all of those outside boards that he sits on.
Why else would they make him the chairman of the board in so many different areas.
He donates to all of these business boards that he sits on and sooner or later he talks his way into becoming the chairman of the board all the while using the Bands money to accomplish his goals.
He thinks that by him siting on so many different boards that his legacy will be an excellent one.
However by the time he dies my goal is to show the public the real Robert Harrison Smith, for what he really is.
And that is a lying, cheating, corrupt, thieving,
low life,murdering, drugged out son of a bitch.
That's the legacy that Robert H. Smith will leave behind
and pass it on to his daughters, if they are really his daughters you know Mike Lucio's soon to be stepdaughters.

Anonymous said...

Let me lay it down for you! This is how it works, smith donates the tribes money to many organizations in turn they place him on the board and in some cases he holds the seat of chairman of the board. He gets payed for sitting on all these boards and now has several paychecks coming in from percap, EC, 12 boards. By smith making all this legitimate income it makes it easier to hide or cover up his stolen money from Pala. He is legitimately making hundreds of thousands a year so he can justify his purchases and most people won’t notice him spending extra money he has stolen from Pala. Including his daughters who he puts items under their names as well. We have all noticed the several cars he and his daughters drive around. His daughters only receive percap which has consistently gone down so they cannot afford the things they have without fathers help. He spreads the money around through the family so it’s divided up between several people and harder to notice. He also has accounts that he hides money in to save for later or when they go on vacation. These accounts have millions. This is his runaway money and what his family will use as a safety net when things go under. Smith and nieto are driving Pala’s finances into such a mess that when things go under there will be so much money missing gone here and there and bad investments and payments that several millions over the years will not be accounted for or traced. This is the plan.

Anonymous said...

Why do people keeping fighting in court,it takes years and rejected,we need to find a way to come together and fight the ec.thats where the problem is,why wast money in court.T courts will never help indian tribes.So what can we do?.

Anonymous said...

Talk to everyone that you can trust and get together and go to a meeting and motion to start impeachment and have the motion second and take a vote by show of hands.
That's the simplest way.
Just make sure that everyone is on the same page when you do it.
Once the motion is made and second and a vote is taken it's a done deal.
Also if you can swing it have someone record it with there cell phone or a voice recorder so you have it on tape/video.

Anonymous said...

VOTE TO NOT BANISH OR EVICT A TRIBAL MEMBER AT TO NIGHTS MEETING.
DON'T TAKE THE WORD OF A NONMEMBER OVER A MEMBER BECAUSE HIS FAMILY IS ON THE EC.
HE HAS NOT EVEN BEEN TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW AS OF YET.
IF HE IS EVICTED OR BANISHED AND THEN FOUND NOT GUILTY
OF THE CRIME HE IS ACCUSED OF THEN IT IS WRONG AND CAN'T BE REVERSED.
SO VOTE IT DOWN OR TABLE IT UNTIL HE HAS HIS DAY IN COURT.
THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THIS THAN ANYONE KNOWS SO LET THE COURTS DECIDE HIS FATE FIRST.
AND LOOK AT ALL THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU CAST ANY VOTE TO EVICT OR BANISH THIS TRIBAL MEMBER.

Anonymous said...

Agree

Anonymous said...

See how easy it was to go against the EC on this eviction of a Tribal member.
All it takes is standing up to them like the people did at this meeting.
Each person had a chance to explain there part of the
incident and why they felt that this eviction was wrong.
And a motion was made by the father of the man that got shot to banish the shooter, a Tribal member, from the Reservation a vote was taken and the motion was defeated
by a majority vote.
That's because the General Membership was able to hear both sides of the story and determined that it would be in the best interest of the young man charged with the shooting to remain with his parents.
The same thing should have been done with the disenrollments that the EC has done because the General Membership were not given the chance to hear all the evidence that the EC says that they have to justify the disenrollments and hear to the evidence that the disenrolled family members had to defend this action.
So legally the disenrollments were not done according to the Tribes own constitution.
It wasn't the Tribe that took this action it was done by 6 people who had ill feelings toward this family because of two Tribal members that opposed the EC for their wrong doings so the EC took this action and used fake documents to get rid of these members.
So members of PBMI continue to stand up to Robert Smith and his EC and make them reverse this action on the disenrollments and bring these people back where they truly belong.

Anonymous said...

And what the fuck was the EC afraid of at the last meeting having a metal detector that you had to enter through before going into the meeting.
That's not custom or tradition for meetings.
That is down right foolish.
To me that's like going to Mass to Sunday and before go to receive Communion you have go through a metal detector
first.

Anonymous said...

And also having a Sheriffs Deputy patrolling the parking lot.
Shit the real threats are siting at the EC desk looking down on people.