Wednesday, June 13, 2018

Cupa News #10 and Supporting Documentation

Cupa News #10 by kupa7 on Scribd





15 comments:

Anonymous said...

What does all of this mean? Is this helpful to our case?

Anonymous said...

This means that Robert Smith not only robbed you from your membership but put the entire Tribe in harms way.
He and Nieto lied and forged so many documents to be able to get rid of Willy Pink and King Freeman that they showed no concern for the Tribe as a whole.
You need to go around and talk to the other members and show them the proof of what they did in order to disenroll you and what they can do because of this to other members of the Pala Band if they want them out.
Don't be afraid of what Robert and Nieto say, they have already done so much damage to you and your family and need to be held accountable for their actions.
The more members that you can convince to the fraud and illegal actions of Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto the better chance you will have.
Smith has many spies that he pays out there so be real careful who you trust and talk to.
Good luck and may the Creator guide you and keep you safe.

Anonymous said...

The enrollment issue is a bigger issue than just disenrollment. Sure disenrollment split the tribe into factions, people do not get along, politics and corruption is being debated and discussed. But, the reality is that in 2 to 3 generations there will be no more enrolled members unless they start intermarrying within the tribe. The way things are now, people do not even get along let alone try to find someone you can marry and have children with on the reservation. A solution would be to go like Pechanga, continuous lineal descent back to the original Kupa village and the people who came down with them to Pala. If that was ever discussed, it would not matter who was disenrolled or not, or who has blood quantum or not, because everybody would be included, and then the focus would be not on who belongs and why, but fixing or enhancing the political-economic issue of the tribe.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Pala is Luiseno now, not Cupeno. Robert Smith let the BIA assign a tribal affiliation to a Band that was an Association of two main groups.

Anonymous said...

@12:36, good idea but Pechanga disenrolled proven lineal descendants, so the rules obviously only apply to non-leaders. And maybe you thought the disenrollments were just about splitting the tribe, but to the disenrolled what happened to them is exactly what you are scared of happening. Everything was taken from them, everyone is against them, their identity of what they have known their whole life was thrown in their faces with all of their rights destroyed by four people. Many of them lost their homes, they all lost their healthcare, and their per-capita, and they were put into a state of immense depression, but because it was not you, then it was not the important thing here, right? except that you are now worried about blood line going away, so now it is important.

Anonymous said...

@4:20pm
What the hell are you talking about? You make no sense. I suggested, since Pala has an easier burden of proof of proving liberal descent, a different approach to understanding who belongs and who does not, to maybe fix the problem now and not leave it for our grandkids or greatgrandkids. Obviously you want revenge, you would rather disenroll all the people who you think don't belong and drag this shit out another 2 or 3 generations. Good luck with that. The other option is to do nothing, leave everything the way it is except kick out all the people you want out. Great solution.

Anonymous said...

@5:17 where in that comment does it say that I want anyone disenrolled ? Talk about putting words into someones comment, wow. I want things the way they were. What I am saying is that it does not matter what the people think will work or help, Robert will do whatever he wants, he does not follow the rules of the tribe, those rules are not for him, everyone knows that and Mark Macarro is the same way, so lineal descendency can only work with good honest leaders. Robert has stolen the Brittain family lineal line, he is trying to erase it altogether. And the Brittain family will never ever just do nothing, they have been working on fighting this since it happened, every angle they can approach this problem, unfortunately the odds are stacked against them and it does not help that their own people, their own relatives, do not stand up for them. If you think you can change Robert's mind to let this idea be discussed in a meeting, then please get it on the agenda. That would be the first step.

Anonymous said...

To Robert Smith,

Could you ever do the right thing and reinstate the disenrolled? I know to you the matter has been closed but until the entire matter is fairly handled and the victims (because that’s what they were with the way it was handled) get a fair chance to put their evidence against the evidence used to disenroll (which has never been brought forward) them. I know you are smart enough to realize you and Nieto are the main ones keeping some Pala members out and when you are no longer in power and the disenrollments are looked into they will be reinstated and by that it will be known you disenrolled for any reason other than enrollment requirements. There has been enough documents passed around and shown online since the disenrollments to where most of us members know the truth or have questions about what went down and most of us believe the disenrollments were wrong and illegal and should be corrected. Now are you going to be the one to fix this mistake or just keep allowing Pala tribal members to suffer for your stubbornness until you are out of your position and the the members are brought back? It’s never too late to correct a wrong and to make Pala a happier place and end the bitterness and hate between the members. The future is long and you will not always be around and making enemies with people that will not forget and maybe take it out on your family one day or after your gone cannot be what you want. Or do you really not care that much about the members or your relatives future. You have opened pandora’s Box for future EC’s to disenroll at will and who knows who that could be. Reinstate and put a permanent end to disenrollments except in cases of falsifying or lying on enrollment applications.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Robert H. Smith will never do the right thing because he is not a man.
He wants things his way or o way. He could care less what happens after he is dead and buried in Gregory Canyon.
He doesn't give a shit about his Daughters future either.
Knowing that someday they will have to answer for what he did to the Tribe because of his hate for Willy and King the Tribe as a whole is the party that is suffering.
The best bet for the Tribe is to get him out be vote or by force.

Anonymous said...

I say take him out by force and be done with whole mess.
He is to stubborn to do the right thing.
Even if the other members of the EC wanted to fix this issue Robert would block them somehow.
The one and only way is to get rid of him one way or another.

Anonymous said...

Killing him is not good enough for him.
He needs to suffer and be made to see what he and his corruption has done to the Pala Members.
Demand that action be taken against him and his gang and have him relieved as Chairman and force an AUDIT on all financial issues concerning the Pala Band. This would prove his and Nieto's corruption
and maybe he would go to Prison along with Nieto.
He has taken so much of the Bands money for his and his Daughters personal use and he needs to answer for it and serve his time like a real man.
Then if that doesn't work then kill the fucker.

Anonymous said...

It would be easier to kill him and no one would even complain about it.
He is an easy target.
He thinks he is safe from harm but boy is he wrong.
He would be very easy to take down and so would Nieto.
Just run either of them off the Temecula grade when they least expect it and bam it's all she wrote.
I doubt that there would be very many members at his and her funerals
only the ones that will miss the extra money that they got when he and Nieto were in charge.

Anonymous said...

Your Chairman down in Pala makes Donald Trump look like an Alter Boy.

M.L. Cummings form Temecula said...

Here is a big question for the General Membership down in Pala.
?- With all of this documented evidence at the Government offices
why are you people not acting on it?.
If you really want things to change for the better for your Tribe you need to take some kind of action to make that change.
There is so much documentation on here that is verified info
through the U.S.Government that you are the ones that are holding up the needed change for your Tribe.
The only thing that is holding up the change is you.
You need to act soon before the current EC decides that you need to be disenrolled in order to have extra money for their own agenda.
If you think that that is not a possibility you better rethink that
because the current EC is being run like a dictatorship.
You all need to act on all of this evidence before the current EC finds a way to change it all and claim it was all just an error on the part of the BIA.
I have never seen so much evidence to support the truth of lies and corruption in my entire life.

Anonymous said...

If an outsider like 7:17 can read and understand the posted evidence and make a reasonable decision on the evidence why can't you Tribal Members do the same thing.
You don't need a college degree to understand the evidence just common knowledge.