In 1903 the Agua Caleinte Cupeno were removed from their ancestral tribal home, the Village of Kupa also known as Warner's Hot Springs. The Cupeno were forced onto the Pala Indian Reservation. This is known as the Cupeno Trail of Tears.
On June 1st, 2011 and February 1st, 2012 162 Warner Ranch Evictee Agua Caliente Cupeno were removed from the PBMI Association by the Pala Enrollment Committee. This is our Second Trail of Tears.
Did that letter say A WHITE MAN who lives in Pala by right of marriage ONLY. Damn Rober Smith what up with your Smith side, wanting to be Native American?, and you are still trying to justify it in your membership on a Cupa Reservation. You deserve a bunch of karma, and to be locked up for many years for your crimes. And the same goes for the rest of the white EC that sits in judgement of true native people.
dont forget his mother's side, His grandmother --- Innocents Blacktooth, His grandfather --- UNKNOWN! In fact he was so UNKNOWN Roberts mother carried her mom's name , Blacktooth
He probably says he's full blood. The Pala EC can make blood degree determinations now. They can even overrule BIA Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood. That is what they did when they overturned the 1989 Final decision.
How much blood does he really have? It depends on how you count the blood from his grandmother, Annie Moro Smith. She was a Warner Ranch Evictee, but her father was a Citizen Indian who accepted homestead land. Citizen Indians gave up their Indian rights and were considered to be equal to other citizens. Their Indian Blood was supposed to end with them, and not get passed on to future generations.
So if you look at it that way, he can only claim blood from his mom who was 1/2 blood because her father was unknown. That would make him 1/4 San Felipe Diegueno. There is a possiblity that his grandfather was 1/4 Mesa Grande Indian. Henry Smith was not enrolled at Pala or Mesa Grande. As far as the records go it is not really documented, so it may or may not be true.
The real last name is Schmitt, he (henry) went to Sherman indian school as did his wife Annie Moro.It's funny they have her listed as Annie Smith, In the Sherman Indian school .
She is a total fake. Remember the white lady that used to live Mr.Lavato, the one that was caught stealing from the Tribe? I think her name was Andrea. She is the one that brought Cindy Leal and said that this was Mr.DW Lavato's child. However there was a D N A test done by a family member, and the results were that Mr.Lavato was 100% NOT the father of Cindy Leal. She is a FAKE and should not be allowed to make any motions at anytime concerning the Pala Tribe, and she has NO RIGHY TO ATTEND ANY AND ALL TRIBAL MEETINGS. She knows the results of the DNA test, and she continues to steal from the people along with her daughters every month by receiving a per capita check, The FBI should be called in to investigate her NOW. Her motion to reopen the Britten case should never have happened in the first place.
What about the other fake one, James Goodpasture, that was adopted by Carman and Albert(James)Goodpasture, his adoptive parents.He and his daughters are also receiving a per capita check every month. Call the FBI and investigate him and his Daughters also . And the oldest Daughter is also said not to be his real daughter.Get that bastard out of here. He is also a felon and is not supposed to be around any types of automobile businesses. But look what he is doing now, running the Tribes auto shop.Call the Feds and check it out for yourself.
We need to quit trying to call white authority we are a sovereign nation damn it act like it. We need quit all the bs and get whomever is dirty out of there no matter who it hurts because Its not about feeling our about you might get punishment, F that. Thetribe as a whole has the power to do what we deem necessary and quit thinking with your povkets.
If you think about what is going on in tribe and people want to bring the fbi who in turn talk to Congress. Congress alone has the power to extinguish and abolish a reservation without an explanation!!!!!! That's what I worry about. There you think outside of the box that the white man put you in........
If the FBI and or the IRS isn't brought in to investigate these actions, who will, the chairman and the treasure. I'm sorry but they (the EC)need to be investigated and dealt with. If they turn up clean, then we can deal with it later on. But if they prove to be DIRTY, then this needs to be brought to the whole General Council, and they should be imprisoned in the Federal system, and striped of all Tribal rights including their per capita, and have all their assets turned over to the Tribe, including all bank accounts, and real estate dealings. And then be banded from any and all Tribal business by banishment from the Pala Band for life. So if we don't do it now it will never get done. If the EC is clean then they should not have a problem with an investigation, in fact they should welcome an investigation to prove that they did nothing wrong.
True that eh........but like I had stated before we( the native people ) have the power to make any changes to any law of our at any time to fix the problem. But I guess till we change those we have to rely on outside resources But that would be a great change too.
Tamatulnaqis is right. Vote them out, several people need to step up and create a political strategy to win all EC seats and implement change through the GC, to restore what was changed. The truth is this method is going to work faster than just sitting around writing letters, blogs, and wait g for the FBI to hold your hands.
Gee tamultulnaqis where you been. All of what you say has been tried and what did it get. It got disenrollment and depriving of tribal rights. It will get your per cap suspended. Just ask theron and leonard. why don't you put your name up here and lets see how long you last.
I know and that sucks....but can be revered. the problem people need to all think the same way in the aspect of how we should run our tribe. Non native ways have influence how we govern and needs to be changed. People need to stand up and back them up. Ha ha ha ha ha please, you think I'm scared of non native thinking, white man wannabe, non native religion loving dictators. ... Omar C Sanchez. It's sad how they our EC can do that to us. Damn people we need to think with or hearts eh. There is a way we can even make descent who don't make blood quantum and still make every one happy. It's all about how we write our laws. We have to write them water tight and in every aspect so there is no what if.
Blood quantum may be white man thinking, but it allows the tribe to determine who belongs and who does not. Moreover, the mechanisms utilized to establish who belonged and who does not and how that system was regulated is no longer exsistent. Tamatulnaqis is right, the a bolt to create laws that govern and regulate the tribe should include Indigenous tribal values, goals, ideas, and worldviews, but at the same time protect the tribe from future enchroachment. The tribe can't even agree or get along over petty shit, how is the community going to come together, create, inplement, sustain, govern and amend tribal law, let alone come up with a solution that everybody agrees concerning dwindling generations. Think about the future, you should try and change the world for your kids, not for yourself.
Sounds good to me also, but how do we get the word out to the Tribal Members?. As soon as the EC hears about it they will banish you and strip away all of your rights like they did to the other group that was against the EC. May be if we try to reach out to the larger voting blocks first, being that they are at risk ahead of the smaller voting blocks. If we need legal advice I have that covered.
Wasn't she charged with a felony not long ago when the cops took her to jail because she had a loaded fire arm and was threating people. And yet she acts like she belongs here in Pala. She is actually a disgrace to the cupa people and to the family of whom she is defrauding. Get her out of here, please.
Or better yet, get the results of the DNA test, i'm sure that the family will tell the truth.??????? Ya right. or at least one of them for sure. How in the fuck does she get off by making those motions at the meetings being a FAKE to begin with. fucken evil bitch.
Any one in that family that knows the truth should come forward a tell everyone the truth about the DNA results. Because if they know that she doesn't belong and continue to hide any evidence that supports that she is a fraud, is just as guilty as she is, and should be disenrolled along with her. Or take their per capita away for 24 months as a punishment. We need to rid the Reservation of these wanta be assholes a.s.a.p. This would be a great place to start.
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Did that letter say A WHITE MAN who lives in Pala by right of marriage ONLY. Damn Rober Smith what up with your Smith side, wanting to be Native American?, and you are still trying to justify it in your membership on a Cupa Reservation. You deserve a bunch of karma, and to be locked up for many years for your crimes. And the same goes for the rest of the white EC that sits in judgement of true native people.
dont forget his mother's side, His grandmother --- Innocents Blacktooth, His grandfather --- UNKNOWN! In fact he was so UNKNOWN Roberts mother carried her mom's name , Blacktooth
Pala Chief "Little Pee Pee" needs to go back to San Felipe.
How much blood does RS claim? How much blood does his mother and father claim? These are the questions that need to be answered and researched.
He probably says he's full blood. The Pala EC can make blood degree determinations now. They can even overrule BIA Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood. That is what they did when they overturned the 1989 Final decision.
How much blood does he really have? It depends on how you count the blood from his grandmother, Annie Moro Smith. She was a Warner Ranch Evictee, but her father was a Citizen Indian who accepted homestead land. Citizen Indians gave up their Indian rights and were considered to be equal to other citizens. Their Indian Blood was supposed to end with them, and not get passed on to future generations.
So if you look at it that way, he can only claim blood from his mom who was 1/2 blood because her father was unknown. That would make him 1/4 San Felipe Diegueno. There is a possiblity that his grandfather was 1/4 Mesa Grande Indian. Henry Smith was not enrolled at Pala or Mesa Grande. As far as the records go it is not really documented, so it may or may not be true.
The real last name is Schmitt, he (henry) went to Sherman indian school as did his wife Annie Moro.It's funny they have her listed as Annie Smith, In the Sherman Indian school .
Well maybe he married his own sister, or a cousin or?????????
You know how those smiths are.
get cindy leal off the rolls she caused a lot of this
She is a total fake. Remember the white lady that used to live Mr.Lavato, the one that was caught stealing from the Tribe? I think her name was Andrea. She is the one that brought Cindy Leal and said that this was Mr.DW Lavato's child. However there was a D N A test done by a family member, and the results were that Mr.Lavato was 100% NOT the father of Cindy Leal. She is a FAKE and should not be allowed to make any motions at anytime concerning the Pala Tribe, and she has NO RIGHY TO ATTEND ANY AND ALL TRIBAL MEETINGS. She knows the results of the DNA test, and she continues to steal from the people along with her daughters every month by receiving a per capita check, The FBI should be called in to investigate her NOW. Her motion to reopen the Britten case should never have happened in the first place.
What about the other fake one, James Goodpasture, that was adopted by
Carman and Albert(James)Goodpasture, his adoptive parents.He and his daughters are also receiving a per capita check every month. Call the FBI and investigate him and his Daughters also . And the oldest Daughter is also said not to be his real daughter.Get that bastard out of here. He is also a felon and is not supposed to be around any types of automobile businesses. But look what he is doing now, running the Tribes auto shop.Call the Feds and check it out for yourself.
Yea wasn't that when he worked for a pipe company in Escondido and she brought that baby to Pala.
Cindy was born in 1970 but that was when Duane was married to somebody named Irma or something like that not Cindy's mother.
We need to quit trying to call white authority we are a sovereign nation damn it act like it. We need quit all the bs and get whomever is dirty out of there no matter who it hurts because Its not about feeling our about you might get punishment, F that. Thetribe as a whole has the power to do what we deem necessary and quit thinking with your povkets.
@11:06 OK black tooth what are you up too?
Nothing but truth. No more white man ways. Believe in true native ways is the only way things will turn around
If you think about what is going on in tribe and people want to bring the fbi who in turn talk to Congress. Congress alone has the power to extinguish and abolish a reservation without an explanation!!!!!! That's what I worry about. There you think outside of the box that the white man put you in........
If the FBI and or the IRS isn't brought in to investigate these actions, who will, the chairman and the treasure. I'm sorry but they (the EC)need to be investigated and dealt with. If they turn up clean, then we can deal with it later on. But if they prove to be DIRTY, then this needs to be brought to the whole General Council, and they should be imprisoned in the Federal system, and striped of all Tribal rights including their per capita, and have all their assets turned over to the Tribe, including all bank accounts, and real estate dealings. And then be banded from any and all Tribal business by banishment from the Pala Band for life. So if we don't do it now it will never get done. If the EC is clean then they should not have a problem with an investigation, in fact they should welcome an investigation to prove that they did nothing wrong.
True that eh........but like I had stated before we( the native people ) have the power to make any changes to any law of our at any time to fix the problem. But I guess till we change those we have to rely on outside resources But that would be a great change too.
Sounds like Mel but he's not a Black tooth.
Tamatulnaqis is right. Vote them out, several people need to step up and create a political strategy to win all EC seats and implement change through the GC, to restore what was changed. The truth is this method is going to work faster than just sitting around writing letters, blogs, and wait g for the FBI to hold your hands.
That's a good idea if elections were done fairly, but Robert has them rigged. Why else would he still be chairman for 20 years.
Gee tamultulnaqis where you been. All of what you say has been tried and what did it get. It got disenrollment and depriving of tribal rights. It will get your per cap suspended. Just ask theron and leonard. why don't you put your name up here and lets see how long you last.
I know and that sucks....but can be revered. the problem people need to all think the same way in the aspect of how we should run our tribe. Non native ways have influence how we govern and needs to be changed. People need to stand up and back them up. Ha ha ha ha ha please, you think I'm scared of non native thinking, white man wannabe, non native religion loving dictators. ... Omar C Sanchez. It's sad how they our EC can do that to us. Damn people we need to think with or hearts eh. There is a way we can even make descent who don't make blood quantum and still make every one happy. It's all about how we write our laws. We have to write them water tight and in every aspect so there is no what if.
Tamatúlnaqiš
Miyaxwe
Blood Quantum is white man thinking
Careful, my friend.
True that. I do know it's created to wipe us out. Question would be, what happens when all native blood dwindled? What do we do?
Thanks for the warning bud.
Blood quantum may be white man thinking, but it allows the tribe to determine who belongs and who does not. Moreover, the mechanisms utilized to establish who belonged and who does not and how that system was regulated is no longer exsistent. Tamatulnaqis is right, the a bolt to create laws that govern and regulate the tribe should include Indigenous tribal values, goals, ideas, and worldviews, but at the same time protect the tribe from future enchroachment. The tribe can't even agree or get along over petty shit, how is the community going to come together, create, inplement, sustain, govern and amend tribal law, let alone come up with a solution that everybody agrees concerning dwindling generations. Think about the future, you should try and change the world for your kids, not for yourself.
Exactly. ....it's gonna be tough and a lot of brain storming but still very reachable goal.
Sounds good to me also, but how do we get the word out to the Tribal Members?. As soon as the EC hears about it they will banish you and strip away all of your rights like they did to the other group that was against the EC.
May be if we try to reach out to the larger voting blocks first, being that they are at risk ahead of the smaller voting blocks. If we need legal advice I have that covered.
Keep your idenity unknown to all except for those that you can trust, and even then be real careful.
thats why cindy burnt the crosses from Cupa
Wasn't she charged with a felony not long ago when the cops took her to jail because she had a loaded fire arm and was threating people. And yet she acts like she belongs here in Pala. She is actually a disgrace to the cupa people and to the family of whom she is defrauding. Get her out of here, please.
Just send for her her birth certificate.
Or better yet, get the results of the DNA test, i'm sure that the family will tell the truth.??????? Ya right. or at least one of them for sure.
How in the fuck does she get off by making those motions at the meetings being a FAKE to begin with. fucken evil bitch.
Karma is looking for you Cindy NO CUPA blood. Miss ,NOTaLavato.
Any one in that family that knows the truth should come forward a tell everyone the truth about the DNA results. Because if they know that she doesn't belong and continue to hide any evidence that supports that she is a fraud, is just as guilty as she is, and should be disenrolled along with her. Or take their per capita away for 24 months as a punishment. We need to rid the Reservation of these wanta be assholes a.s.a.p.
This would be a great place to start.
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