Friday, April 17, 2020
Snapchat Shooting? Really?
valleycenter.com - Two arrested in Pala “Snapchat” shooting
Excerpt:
The female victim was riding in a vehicle with her adult male boyfriend and his adult brother to a residence to meet a “Snapchat friend.” At some point, two male juveniles brandished firearms and began shooting at the victims in their car. The female sustained a gunshot wound to the chest. As the driver of the vehicle fled, both suspects continued shooting at the vehicle.
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From what I'm understanding, they were lured to Pala on some pretense and was purposely shot. Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't that definite grounds for being banned.
No it is grounds for being on the EC.
sounds like if they were waiting for the vehicle to show up, then the people in the vehicle were probably making threats on Snapchat. Who knows what the outsider were provoking, who knows what they were threatening. I know I would not shoot at an unknown car unless I knew who the car was and why they were there threatening.
Did the sheriffs dept do a gun powder check on the victims in the vehicle?
Did they search the vehicle for weapons?
Where was pala security, sleeping while strange vehicles are allowed to roam the Reservation.
There are so many vehicles driving around the reservation
all the time and no security stops them to see what they are doing on private property driving around especially during a mandatory lock down.
What happened to the contract we have with the sheriffs dept?
There is so much bullshit going on in Pala and the ones that are supposed to keep the people living on the reservation safe, especially with this virus spreading around are no where to be seen.
Fire the whole bunch of them even Tim Ravago.
It's time to cut back on all employees and the waste of money that the Band pays them.
Even if someone calls for security for some reason it takes them at least 30 minutes to respond in the local areas.
They and the vehicle expense is a waste of money.
Sounds like you know something. Probably one of your family members who committed the shooting
You think Pala security dare pull over a vehicle on the reservation? If they question the wrong person you cry babies will go running to your friends on the EC. The only people they protect are the ones who will protect their jobs. Who can blame them
APRIL 19 2020 7:57 PM - You are part of the problem, whenever someone comes here to post a sound and logical argument, you people always have to retort with some obtuse argument that shows your ignorance. Yes, Robert and fans have the power, but it is power that is derived from insanity and greed, a power that is based in pure evil and hatred for the people he is sworn to protect. I read the post and it doesn't sound like this person is defending the shooters! I sounds like they are concerned about lack of security and the poster is making logical statements that show he understands the difference between the joke that is the Pala Leadership and the cronies, such as the lackey, Tim Ravago. So before you resort to your base "dumb" argument, why don't you ask yourself why these things aren't done.
By they way, why is Robert Smiths Daughter who got busted about a week and a half ago, being considered a danger to the community. I heard she was harboring Mexican cartel. Why isn't Tim Ravago and the security staff protecting the community from this nefarious element. Oh, yeah, Robert and his drug dealing brother Andrew probably still have a close connection to the drug suppliers since that's been their main gig for years.
What about that April 19, 2020 at 7:57 pm?
Robert Smith has driven this community into such a hellish state, I pity the people who have to live there and suffer under his unjust and corrupt rule. It's sad that the government of the United States won't do the right thing and bust his ass for all the wrongs he has done. He reminds me of Trump, a narcissistic idiot who can't control his greed for power and money.
So, April 19, 2020 at 7:57 pm, what do you say to that?!!
@ 7:57, I heard it was your cousin that was involved in the shooting.
And as far as asking those questions about the sheriffs Department checking for and searching for other evidence
is part of their job to do a complete investigation to see why it happened the way it did.
My guess is that Smith told them to just arrest these two teens without any more investigating.
I also think that he is protecting the so called victims
possibly because they are friends of one of his daughters.
All the more to get him out. Now that per capita is going down and possibility of no per capita be prepared for more violence and burglary on the rez. Why? Because until now for most of the druggies here they had the income to purchase their drugs, now they don't so be ready people for the end results.
Better keep an eye on Smith and Nieto so they don't get away while people are being on lock down.
also who is paying for the extra outside security for Robert Smith and Nieto?
Cutting the income almost by 75% is going to be bad for them for not handling the financial duties of the Band.
And also why are the EC members still getting paid while no working and the same for the tribal employees.
Why is our per capita being taken down to only $2500.
There is going to be a lot of mad people around Pala because of the EC not being truthful to the members.
Where is all the money that was supposed to be tucked away for in case something like this happened.
If i were Smith or Nieto i would be on my way to Mexico or somewhere where no one could find me.
I've been seriously saying for a long time, especially to the younger generation, GET A JOB! It is the only thing saving me with the cut, working my whole life, building up my retirement and money in Social Security. Now with the cut happening again the younger generations are up shit creek. Their sense of entitlement is gone, no job training, work experience, nothing. Many who treated drugs like candy will no longer be able to afford it, so what's next? I wrote earlier about the violence, theft is going to skyrocket. And who will be the victims? Our elders, that's who. Thank you Robert and Theresa for upholding your oath to protect our Tribal members and assets. You did a wonderful job....NOT. Remember that you damn idiots who voted them back in.
News around the Fallbrook area is that the girl that was shot in the chest in Pala a few days ago is a well known drug dealer in Fallbrook.
Also her boyfriend and his brother are also known to deal in Fallbrook and the Vista area.
According to a friend in Fallbrook the 3 are also kown to be selling some bad drugs on the street that is being cut with some bad shit.
Again be ready for more violence. There are so many people in Pala that either do or deal in drugs, connected to various gangs. Per capita gave them the means to live this lifestyle which will have repercussions. It's the good people who will suffer because of the druggies. The fact that these 2 minors had weapons, were willing to shoot others boils down to one thing, drugs.
Since you’re coherent now Leroy, undo the disenrollment and lift the ugly curse on the people
Oh yeah, Leroy has the power.
I would cry for Pala if I had any tears left. The prediction that reduced per capita will lead to crime and violence is spot on. People who have spent their lives making a rap sheet instead of being good citizens will turn to crime. Finding a job when you have no education, no skills, and multiple felonies is impossible. How many of the wonderful Pala members who are so superior to the disenrollees and the Brittains because they support Chairman Porky fit into this category?
Wasn't it a Brittain who was involved with the last 2 shootings in Pala ?
Doesn't matter, the thing to understand and remember is 2 teenage boys (who the hell cares what family they come from) not only had weapons, they on purpose shot another human being. This is only the beginning people, open your eyes up. These goddamn self entitled younger Tribal members are a product of an entitled environment. It's okay, Mom or Dad had money, they can buy my way out of jail or prison. Chairman Smith is a prime example of that. How many times has he used the so called Tribal lawyers for personal reasons on the Tribe's dime? This is a valid question.
No
Leroy Miranda doesn't even no that his name is Leroy.
He is so sucked up he looks like a twig off of an olive branch that has been exposed to the desert sun for years.
I truly doubt that he will recover from his downward
death dive.
And i can't say that i am sorry to see him in such bad shape after what he did to some good Tribal members.
Even tough he was second in command at the time of the disenrollments he still needs to come forward and tell the people the truth about what he and the other EC members did to the Britten Family.
He is a fine specimen of bad KARMA.
I just wish it would hit Smith and Nieto the way it did Miranda.
@ 6:26 PM
The shooters in last two shootings in Pala are enrolled under the Lugo blood line all three of the shooters.
Your wrong !
No 8:35 PM is right they are enrolled under the Lugo bloodline.
If they were under the Britten bloodline they would have been disenrolled.
@ 7:57 PM it turns out that 7:09 PM was right about the Sheriffs dept not doing there job because according to the post of 1:33 AM the female involved is a known drug dealer from Fallbrook as well as the driver and his brother.
I am willing to bet that the driver or his brother showed a firearm before the Pala youths fired on them.
Why do the Pala youths have guns and why are Pala youths calling a drug dealer to come to the Rez in the middle of the night?
Thank you, a very valid question. It's going to get worse because people by not saying anything allowed it to happen. The sad part is the good people are the ones who will be targeted, the burglary, theft,violence hasn't even begun and it will. All the nice things people bought cars, furniture, appliances, outdoor equipment is all a candy store for the druggies to start helping themselves to.
@ 11:23,
I totally agree with your post and i personally blame you Chairman and your Bands Treasurer for lying to the members of PBMI.
It will now come back to bite them in the ass.
And the sad part is everyone seems to be blaming the wrong people.
The EC run by Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto are the ones
that are responsible for the cut in the per capita.
At many meetings when things were brought up about the Casino both Smith and Nieto both stated that there was a reserve that would pay the members for at least a year if not more if something were to go wrong at the Casino.
And now they are saying that we will receive only
$2300 dollars for maybe 2-3 months.
Where is the reserve account money with interest and where is the revenue from the other ventures that were supposed to keep the members paid.
I really hope that this opens your eyes as to what kind of people are taking advantage of you.
They both should in Prison for these crimes but you people are to chicken shit to make it happen even with the fact that you are going to lose everything you have.
Many members retired early and made financial commitments like buying new homes not owned by pala along with new vehicles and sending their kids to college and now because of Smith and Nieto you will be forced to file for bankruptcy or make the decision to stand up to them and get them out of control of the Tribe before someone decides to take matters into their own hands and does the unthinkable.
Gee, it's almost like being disenrolled.
@ 10:12 AM,
Maybe because Robert Smith was out of drugs or he was out town doing some lines on the Tribes dime, AGAIN.
Tim Ravago will only shoot his unarmed relatives in the back.
I had said before, both Robert and Theresa failed to uphold their oaths to protect the Tribal members and Tribal assets. Robert used his "power" and position achieve his long hateful vendetta against the Brittan family and anyone who stood in his way, Theresa....damn girl your mother is probably rolling in her grave. If this doesn't open people's eyes before elections then I don't know what will. Need to get someone in there to clean up their mess, actually find out and prosecute anyone involved in the fraud, embezzlement, etc. Do a DNA on EVERYONE enrolled to ensure they are qualified, disenroll non qualified members, reinstate qualified members, take the power away from the Council, get rid of those god damn jets, online gaming, worthless grape vineyard, no more kickbacks to Dennis Turner, sell the property. My God the lust goes on and on.
At least now Pala Members know that Smith and Nieto have been lying to them about the reserve fund. In 2008 Smith reported to the BIA that there was a $141 million dollar surplus invested in high yield funds. That money is long gone. So is all the economic development money since the beginning of the Revenue Allocation Plan in 2001. Some of the money was invested and the EC does report some investments as assets, but they are assets that only generate operating costs and no revenue. Assets that do not generate revenue are financial burdens, not really assets.
Then there is the unreported asset, Pala Interactive, that operates on tribal funds. Since it does not generate revenue either is it useless except to Smith and Nieto who draw salaries as Directors, and whatever funds they siphon out of it.
The overall picture shows massive embezzlement. We are talking hundreds of millions of dollars that are simply gone. No interest on any accounts have ever been reported. All the federal funds that have been received have never been reported. All the donations have never been reported. All of the lobbying costs have never been reported. It is just falls through a hole in Smith's pocket.
Anyone think Smith will ever tell the truth? Bet he shuts down tribal government instead.
i was told that there is talk going around that if the Feds don't step in real soon that there will be other actions in place to rid Pala of Smith and Nieto.
All of these shootings happening in Pala will soon be a daily thing after Nieto and Smith tells the members of PBMI that there is no more money for them.
Just hope that they don't waste their ammo on someone innocent.
Definitely no real solutions here. The FBI will not do anything. They are still holding a grudge over Wounded Knee. The Justice Department and the FBI are the same thing. The IRS requires that a form be filled out in order to file a complaint. (requires a PhD) The elections are rigged. The BIA supports voter fraud. The State has no jurisdiction. The DA is paid off. Other tribal leaders envy Robert and his control over the money and the tribal members. NIGC only approves criminal acts. It has no jurisdiction once the crimes are committed. The Inspector General defers to Tribal Sovereignty never realizing the difference between a tribe and an individual. The Courts wash their hands to all tribal criminal matters because of sovereign immunity. In the end the real solution is the road no one wants to take. THE TRIBE HAS THE POWER TO TAKE OUT THE CRIMINALS AND THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION AVAILABLE. But it will never happen. We used to get $16,000 a month. Remember those days. Since then casino revenues went up but we saw constant reduction in per cap. Now the tribe will incur debt just to make minimum per cap. This was learned recently. Robert Smith needed to disenroll the Brittens because he has enrolled non-Indians. He takes half of there per cap. REMEMBER WE WERE ALL PROMISED OUR PER CAP WOULD GO UP AFTER THE BRITTENS WERE DISENROLLED. RIGHT!!! So quit waiting for the cavalry to arrive. We are the Indians and the cavalry kills Indians. Nothing has changed except all the cavalry has to do now is sit back and laugh while the Indians kill themselves. God? Where is God. He should have taken Robert a long time ago. No solution there either.
Poor you, crying over your per cap going down. You have been eating your own for years, now it's time to pay for your sins
Can wait for the next meeting, whenever that will be to see how many people will stand up to the EC and motion for an Audit of the Bands funds and motion to impeach
Smith and Nieto if they object to and Audit.
There should be a lot of questions ask at that meeting
but will it happen?
We all know that the EC is still getting paid their monthly salary because Nieto will say it was in the budget even though the Admin is closed down until future notice.
So i guess its fuck the general membership worry only about the EC.
Dear April 24 7:17 After eating my own I crap out turds like you.
If all this doesn't open up people's eyes, then God be with you. You've allowed Robert to run amok using his hatred as a personal vendetta against certain family members. He's ran this Tribe to the ground right along with Theresa and you've allowed it.
Isn't 3rd time a charm? 3 canceled meetings equals automatic step down of the EC. They could still have a meeting, ever hear of social distancing?
They are social distancing themselves from the general membership.
They know that there will be question asked that require them to answer or address and they just want to sweep it under the rug.
The big question is WHERE IS THE MONEY ROBERT SMITH AND THERESA NIETO? Don't blame the Managers. How many times has Robert gone into the casino demanding non taxed money? How many times was the jets used for personal perks? Enough already people, get them the hell out and do an audit. Prosecute all individuals involved with the fraud, embezzlement, etc.
I totally agree with 11:29 AM
We have nothing to lose and a lot to gain if we can get them out.
There is not much hope for us if we don't do something now, everything that we once had is almost gone and the only thing that we can look forward to is lies and excuses from Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto.
All it will take for a turnaround is getting them out and call for an Audit if we can't do that then we are screwed
every thing we hoped for will be a total loss.
SO LETS DO THE RIGHT THING AND GET THEM OUT AND PROSECUTED.
What in the hell is wrong with you kids.
If you want to be a hard ass then shot Smith and Nieto.
I am sure you will have a lot of money on your books in Prison and be hailed as a HERO on the Reservation.
Listen to this COWARD! Trying to talk kids into doing something Bad.
She is not a coward, she is just saying that if you are going to shoot anyone, make it count and hurt the ones that are hurting your people.
Well, can you tell her that we are having enough problems with our Youth on the Rez. and we dont need someone coaching them into doing ANYTHING NEGATIVE !
Stop blaming the the "YOUTH" for Pala's problems.
Its the leadership that is to blame for the way the young people are turning out.
The leaders are the ones that are showing that crime is the way of life if you want to prosper.
They teach that stealing and Murder are ways to survive
and be looked up to in Pala.
Lies and corruption are something that is taught and not something that is part of everyday life of truthful leadership.
So until the leadership is changed in Pala look forward to more violence, lies and corruption.
The young adults only see the things that your chairman and treasurer are boasting in the eyes of the youth.
All the new cars and motor homes, motorcycles, desert toys Superbowl tickets new homes bought off the Reservation by the the leadership with tribal funds is enticing to the youth of today so they following to blueprint of lies and corruption by the leaders in hopes of obtaining the same for themselves.
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