In 1903 the Agua Caleinte Cupeno were removed from their ancestral tribal home, the Village of Kupa also known as Warner's Hot Springs. The Cupeno were forced onto the Pala Indian Reservation. This is known as the Cupeno Trail of Tears.
On June 1st, 2011 and February 1st, 2012 162 Warner Ranch Evictee Agua Caliente Cupeno were removed from the PBMI Association by the Pala Enrollment Committee. This is our Second Trail of Tears.
Friday, October 20, 2017
To The Honorable Robert Smith
Robert Smith, Chairman of the Pala Luisenos, you owe and must pay, or rather you will make tribal members pay as always for YOUR actions.
I am thoroughly knowledgeable of the laws PROTECTING natives allotments. These land acreage belongs to the individual tribal members NOT THE TRIBE. In the case of multiple owner's, one person cannot make a decision regarding that property. It must be a written, notorized contract signed and agreed upon by at least 3/4 of the property owners...not the Tribe. How bout dealing with all the meth homes, pot farms etc. That would be more productive.
Hahaha in your face slobert smith, I bet you he threw one of his tantrum’s when he got this letter because he didn’t win. Awe poor whittle wobert didn’t get his way. As always the tribe will foot the bill except they charge the tribe a little extra and smith and nieto take their cut. I see but many other tribal members don’t and I don’t understand what blinds them to the truth. With ALL THE MONEY the casino makes and nieto always says we broke even or we’re a little under and once in a while we made a slight profit and they take away all bonuses and percap hasn’t changed only they do some weird thing by taking it from general welfare fund which is a little fishy. How can do many be so blind and believe the lies being told to them. Then again some of those followers are not the brightest crayon in the box which makes sense why they blindly follow. So sad.... Pala definitely needs change and it won’t happen with this election committee I mean come on they are all robert groupies or family.
Just wait until you hear what Slobert and his fairy tale snatch nieto are planning to do next. Someone will probably meet their maker on this coming event. You better not shout you better not cry, Santa Clause is not coming to town.
Way to go chairman Robert El Chapo, the Reservations drug cartel leader. Lets see you tunnel your way out of this one. This should come out of your pocket and not the Tribes. After all you and nieto are the ones that are totally in the wrong for not going about this the correct way and hiding it from the members of the Band. Why in fuck don't you be a real man and step down so the Tribe can heal, or better yet just DIE.
Robert's true colors are showing here, he has to illegally dump sewage, wow what kind of respected leader (honorable) has to result to this, and then he probably threatened these people over and over until they had to fight him legally. Thank you for posting this. These people are brave, the dictator or dicktater needs to be ousted. If Robert can do this for this many years, then think of all the other illegal things he does out of sovereignty, He is not honorable at all, he is the most opposite of what an Indian Leader should be and represent. At least God does not follow those rules, HELL will be too good for Robert ad his cronies. One day I want to come on here and read in big letters "ROBERT SMITH IS DONE", and I pray it is soon, so the healing can start, but I fear the wound might be too big.
I also want to come on hear and see Robert Smiths and Theresa Nieto's OBITUARY. It will take two Sunday Editions to list all the wrong doings that these two fucker did to Tribal Members.
Just to let you know I heard Robert is getting ready to have a Pussy party at the Admin. building. With special guest all the way from One Hung Low, Theresa Nieto and the Pie's. Cum by and have a lick.
4:14 keep it relevant to the issues, your comments are childish and if you are hurting so much, try putting a little more thought into your comments or don't comment at all. It really makes you seem desperate and gross, like it's Robert talking. He is crass and unintelligent, be bigger than that!
I agree. It's understandable people's feelings however hasn't it crossed your minds it's a diversion from what the real issue is. He's trying to take control of the allotments since his buy back project didn't succeed.
Honorable, what a joke. If he was so Honorable he would do the right thing and kill himself. And for those that think that he is really Honorable are on the take and should be charged for their crimes as well as him and Nieto.
Look up the meaning of Honorable and you will see that Robert Smith is not even close to being Honorable. Not one single word in the meaning will describe Robert Smith or Theresa Nieto. But look up the word SHIT and you will see the meaning of Smith and Nieto.
Now the word around the REZ is that Smith and Nieto are working on a big plan to get the Sharon Boles property away from Harvey and Denise Boles which is between the Casino and the Rancho Luna Mia Ranch. The property is at t5he entrance to the new Camping site. Please get these two EC members out before they can do anything to the Boles. Smith says that Harvey Boles is a direct threat to the Reservation and could be disenrolled and banished from Pala for those reasons.
Robert Smith will never get the Boles property even if he tries to build a "sewer station" on there land. HA, HA. And as for Harvey being a direct threat, that's a joke. Harvey is a good guy and would help anyone in need. Robert Smith is afraid of Harvey to begin with. Harvey would put Smiths lights out with one punch.
I rear that there will be no Christmas bonus this year unless someone has the guts to make a motion at the coming meeting for at least 10,000 dollars for a bonus. The EC can't blame it on the expansion at the casino because that's being done through a loan.
There have been true tribal members that have been dissenrolled, there have been murders on the Rez. But the only time tribal members will band together is to get a bigger bonus? Our ancestors would be very disappointed.
Some of our ancestors played peon gambling away over a months supply of food rations or the family's only donkey. Others gambled for whisky and cigarettes. Maybe don't over-romanticize the past.
I am not sure I can say exactly what our ancestors would be very disappointed in except maybe that everyone forgot who they really are and where they really came from.
All except the Chairman Robert Smith and family. He knows damn well that he comes from San Fillipe and has no CUPA blood that he can legally claim and that's why he will not do the right thing and step down as Chairman. He knops that if he does step down that his family faces possible banishment from the Reservation after a new Chairman calls for an Audit of all departments connected to the Tribe. I sure hope and pray that he is caught before he dies so the Tribe can see the truth about his and Nieto's crimes against the Members of the Pala Band of Mission Indians.
I was no referring to the gambling that our ancestors would be disappointed about. We have pala families that are suffering at the hands of Robert. Murder and dissenrollment. Very few do anything to help them. But god forbid there's no Christmas bonus. Everyone better do something
Yes. Greedy Pala Members unite! That bonus is the most important thing. Who cares about disenrollments, murders, shady casino expansion, or elections? You can forget about all the evil as long as you have that bonus in hand.
The reason that the BIA says that Robert Smith is "HONORABLE" is because he always delivers there little brown bag of cash when he promises it to them. Money talk and everything walks.
Robert needs to take accountability for what he did simply because of his twisted vendetta against certain families. So he alone should be held responsible for paying for the lawsuit not the Tribe. He did this without the Tribe's knowledge so he should pay for it.
Hey R&R what the fuck is wrong with you calling all the Pala Members greedy. So we are all greedy because we want what's ours. You better check yourself.
What about the well being of your fellow tribal members? We should be banning together to stop dissenrollment and put our brothers and sisters back on the rolls. We should be banning together to make our Rez a safer place, so people don't have to worry about being murdered. Don't get me wrong, I want a Christmas bonus to. But I think there are more important things we should be banning together for. I am not R&R but that is my opinion.
I said greedy Pala members. Does that mean all Pala members are greedy? Or does it hit too close to home? I know some kind and generous Pala members who would gladly trade their Christmas bonus if it meant the solutions to the problems.
Every year since the disenrollments, it has been the same thing, rumors go around about no Christmas bonus, Robert and Theresa run around like crazy trying to find money for the bonuses because the natives are getting restless and it is always around election time so that anyone who wants to stand up and speak up gets drowned out by the loud mouths who scream about the bonus. That once a year thing that the members seem to not be able to live without, like they are getting nothing all year long, so sad really. Don't worry, don't pout, you will get your very important, will die without it, tear down the tribal haul if it does not come, Christmas bonus, hence the word Christmas.
Robert and There's don't have scramble around for bonus money. The Chairman has that much cash just lying around. He needs lots of cash for bribes and such.
The money situation at Pala is not desperate. That is a lie told by the EC so they don't have to share more with the members. Lawsuits don't cost as much as people have been told, but there is an army of lawyers getting paid to protect the Chairman from prosecution and to expand his wealth and power.
Members aren't entitled to a bonus. Bonuses are extras that are paid out when conditions or performance are favorable. What Pala members are entitled to are financial reports that are honest and accurate so they know how their money is being managed.
Most of the bad things that happen at Pala can be explained by the desire of the Chairman to hide the corruption. He has enticed or extorted many people to help him hide the theft of millions. The Christmas bonus is a pacifier and diversion used to manipulate the members.
You'll get your bonus. Just look away and let the evil happen. Soon enough you will be touched by the evil because you let the money blind you.
The above comment is so true that many of us are blinded by the money even though it’s not what we should be getting if everything was fair, equal, and honest. My eyes have been open for a while and I see what’s going on in Pala and it all comes down to the way we are governed. The people are afraid to speak up or publicly go against the EC because they’ve seen what happens when you do banishment,loose your home,right to visit family in Pala, percap suspended,banned from going to meetings, running for office, voting and the worst disenrolled. All these things I listed have been done to tribal members and smith/nieto know exactly what they are doing when they do these things to us. They are making examples to show the rest of us what will happen if they step out of line or go against them. Then there are the tribal members and descendants that blindly follow smith/nieto and see how they operate and get away with everything and have all this power and want to be a part of it and they start acting the same and run around Pala not giving a dam and causing trouble because that’s what they see their leaders doing and that makes it ok for them to not care either and treat other members and elders like they don’t matter. If this is ok to you and many other tribal members/descendants then nothing here in Pala will change. Elections will never change anything unless we group together and ALL go to the November meeting to vote in decent people that don’t support or not related to smith onto the election committee to count the votes fairly. Discussing problems at a monthly meeting will not work cause to put anything on the Agenda it needs to be approved by smith/nieto and they will not allow anything on the agenda that is contradictory to their agenda. I know most of us are just waiting for the Fed’s to take smith/nieto or the grim reaper to take smith so the people can then stand up and demand answers and rights. To have an OPEN GOVERNMENT for the people not the select few that keep the even more select few in power. Only time will tell and to all of you on the EC especially smith/nieto REMEBER people do not forget and will not forget all that you have done to them,their family and their tribe. It may be 1 year,5 years or 10 years but people do not forget and all your harm and lies you have brought on to others will come back for you or your children/family. REMEBER nieto you opened the disenrollment can which affected a lot of tribal members not just the ones you helped robert kick out with LIES.
I bet that as soon as the power switches on the EC that within 3-5 months after that Nieto and her kids will be disenrolled and banished from Pala along with Smiths Brother and Smiths Daughters. After all the opened up the rules so they have to obey and respect the rules also.
Theresa J. Nieto is one of the worse evil woman to walk this earth. And she has some people convinced that her bullshit is bible. Even the Priest at the mission still let her be involved at the Catholic Mission in Pala. The Mission that was built by the Indians way back in the early 1800'S. And is now being destroyed by one evil woman, Theresa Nieto and her Runt of a husband Roy "Fake" Nieto. They won't be happy until there are no more followers at the Mission. She thinks that she will see her Mother again after death because she thinks that she can buy her way into Heaven by being involved at the Mission.But what she doesn't realize is that you can't buy your way into Heaven, you have to earn your way into Heaven by being a good person not an evil bitch.
Talk around other Reservations is that Smith and Nieto are going to target one of Nona Niejo's daughters for her acts and being a direct threat on the Community. Check it out on the Temecula Patch. Just search her name, Kalice Magee.
Well looks like the money did her good huh? So Robert has the drugs made, lets them get sold to the youth so he can control them even his own family and then when the drugs make them do stupid things he kicks them out, while their parents stand by watching their children melt away into drugged out losers. How sad. Oh but they better get their bonuses because that is what is important.
I understand that tribal gaming is a blessing that has provided a good life for tribal members. But why do you feel that you need to criticize how people spend money and what they do with there lives. When people had no money, there were people who would do the same thing. If you cared, why would you say something like that, your just maki g somebodys real life an argument to post on this website, for what? Sounds weak.
Ok people. ...what's the saying....look into your own backyard before judging others. Unfortunately many of our families have that "someone " in our family. The money only gives them access financially to buy heavier drugs. I remember back in the day when you could count on one hand the heroin users. Hopefully she can get the help she needs. However, if they condemn her they need to do the same for their own families.
If the EC tries to do anything to her they will have bitten off more than they can chew. Just leave it alone and let the court system do its job. And I am sure that the EC known this so they won't do anything about it except maybe using it to gain more supporters for their side. So there is no need to start bad mouthing anyone just chill out.
Come on we all know Robert won’t do anything to Kalice that’s his daughter’s cousin/best friend. She was with his daughter when they got pulled over with all those guns and silencers in the vehicle. If you’re on Robert side and vote his way you could be the worst of the worst nothing will happen to you but if you’re against him and don’t vote his way one little slip up and you’re finished.
Very true if the wrongfully disenrolled were reinstated nobody would go on this sight anymore and if rob and nieto don’t like it well too bad they started it and are the cause of it by illegally and falsely targeting and disenrolling and lowering the Brittain families blood degree even after the dept of Interior Secretary “after years of research” and “due to the EC providing NO Evidence proving otherwise” rules in a FINAL DECISION that Margarita Brittain was in fact FULLBLOOD Cupeno. Then according to Kilma who was on the EC at the time smith requested “ONLY” the 1928 rolls from the BIA to use to lower Margarita Brittains families blood degree. As we all know according to our Constitution (well before it was reworded and changed to fit their needs) is not to be used in matters of enrollment since there are so many discrepancies with every family in Pala but only the discrepancies for the Brittains were picked out but they were Roberts target. Well king and Willy were and the rest of the family was collateral damage. THESE ARE THE FACTS OF WHAT HAPPEN AND HOW THE DISENROLLMENTS WENT DOWN. THEY CANNOT BE DISPUTED JUST IGNORED AND NOT TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS WHAT SMITH DOES WHEN ASKED.
Hopefully our new vice chairman isn’t afraid to stand up to smith and nieto and back up the tribal members. I’m just glad we got rid of Maxcey who just wanted to be the next Robert smith and enjoy the perks of his position. The people of Pala believe and are hoping our new vice chairman will do the right thing for the Pala people and not be out for himself. We thought the same thing about villa but she just kept the status quo and didn’t stand up to Robert. I’m not saying she’s bad just too weak to speak out against smith and nieto’s actions. When a member wants to speak at a meeting let them speak we are all equal just because something is not on “Roberts agenda” does not mean it can’t be discussed amongst the people. Only time will tell and Pala needs good honest people in power. We’re hoping that’s you.
What no one wants to say about the 1928 Rolls is that Margarita Britten is listed as Margarita Saubel on all of children's applications. She is not even listed as Margarita Britten. Why? Because she was a Saubel and therefore a full blood. She was Cupeno. She was not Yuma, Yaqui, San Felipe or Mataquay. She was Cupeno yet all these other wannabe Cupas insist that that she is only half Indian. How stupid is that. The rest of you should just go back to your own reservations and get the hell out of our Cupeno lives.
Oh good we were so worried, not. Every year same thing, same time, the Bonus is all you members care about. Do something good with it, instead of wasting it on material goods for yourself, prove to the world that Native's are good and not greedy, but you probably will spend it in one day on something that will be destroyed in a month or two and then you will be waiting for that bonus again, I used to give more than 75% of mine to needy families, and get their kids presents. I still give, but of course not even close to as much, and they are still grateful.
The EC will want you to vote for Maxcey in the up coming fake Election so we may get 10-15 thousand for a bonus. However don't let this cloud your brain. Vote for Tony Ravago, he is the man we all want. He is fair, he is Honest, and he will listen to all Members with an open mind. And also he doesn't play "GOLF".
I hope that who ever the supporter was for Maxcey that fucked up the Election is gone from that post, and maybe take some classes at some the nearest mental health clinic.
What will happen if Tony wins again, will Robert let Howard call for another special election, or will the EC except the results and honor Tony Ravago as THE NEW VICE CHAIRMAN. If I were Macey I would move in with his new boyfriend and go on with life.
Because Robert is Howards Godfather and if he doesn't side with Howard he will probably lose the support of Howards family when its time to vote for Chairman next year. Also one of Roberts daughters was sitting on the election committee as was one of Howards big supporters you all know who she is, just look at the pictures of them boarding the Tribal jet with their golf clubs.
Someone should give the Chairman, Vice Chairman, and the Treasure a gift certificate for sky diving and give the disenrolled AK47 riffles to shoot at them .
The Morongo tribe is not a bunch of p— — — like the Pala people,they don’t take any bull .Maybe they should invite the the Pala Ec to a field trip to the Morongo Canyon,where justice can be dealt Out by old customers and traditionals
Why would you want someone who has over extended our Fire Dept budget by millions and has little to show for it. The training center is rarely if ever used by outside agencies to bring in revenue for the expenses for the cost of it. He is not qualified for the position he holds there. There's a lot more they could be doing over there instead of wasting the tribes money. Way too many fire engines. I get it if the time does happen it will be nice to have two or three of everything. But we have the dept. of forestry and CAL Fire to lean on for help too. If we had. He is also Chairmans ears and eyes. I personally don't feel he would go AGAINST ANYTHING ROBERT PROPOSED. The racetrack is thriving and bringing in more and more business and is always busy on the weekends. I don't recall having to pass a budget of millions to make a return on that investment. We do need to put an end to the disenrollments because if anyone was to go and do some research no one was ever full blood Kupa. All mixed. We are Kupeno because we were the people of Kupa. We should be restoring our traditional ways and traditional healing so we can start to thrive and quit living in fear. Let the light shine through the darkness and bring peace to our homeland. We need to come together and make a motion to end disenrollments so we can all live in harmony and heal. Margarita's family are still Kupeno and family. No reason to treat them any less. More members need to go to the Budget meeting coming up so we can ask for itemized expenditures and any grants that's paying for each department. Quit complaining on here and show up and participate in the discussions at the meetings. Make a motion for all the elections to come be processed by California Indian Legal Services so we don't have corrupt voting processes. Nominate people to run against the current EC instead of them not being ran against. Let's hold debates to ask the important questions. Make our candidates work for us and to make an ACTUAL CHANGE that matters! There is so many wrong things that are being left out like how all of our children are being adopted out real quick. We all need to worry about how our Social Services Department is being ran by a lady who has too much power and is unethical herself and no moral standard. If you had kids I'd suggest getting a copy of the Pala Tribal Ordinance No. 21 so you know your rights if your kids were to ever be removed. There are no CHECKS and BALANCES in that department. Then we have another ETHICAL issue of our Pala Court. How is it that Judge Royball can also be the tribes attorney? Isn't that a conflict of interest? Our court is a laughing stock to professionals who work with courts. I'm afraid to ever have to be involved in that court because I know for a fact I would not get a fair trial. What about WARNER SPRINGS? Where's the continuing effort to get that back? I heard the new owner isn't fixing anything up to reopen he just goes hunting when he flies in or he brings friends in just to hunt. He doesn't care about fixing that place up and restoring the healing properties it has for our people. Yeah he had a blessing done by bird singers what a couple years ago and was supposed to be working with that group to make sure the Cupeno culture was preserved. Just a thought.......
If you Pala Members say that the Britten family members do belong in the Tribe then why don't you all vote to put them back on the Rolls. Wouldn't you all expect them to vote to put your family members back on the roll if it were you in their spot? Stop being afraid of two EC members and do the right thing before it is to late and your family members get disenrolled and your votes will not count anymore.
HOHORABLE my ass, him and Theresa Nieto are the picture of EVIL. Our Ancestors were the HONORABLE ones. So HONOR our ANCESTORS and get rid of the EVIL that has split our Reservation in half. No more Smith and Nieto equals calm friendly loving Reservation.
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I am thoroughly knowledgeable of the laws PROTECTING natives allotments. These land acreage belongs to the individual tribal members NOT THE TRIBE. In the case of multiple owner's, one person cannot make a decision regarding that property. It must be a written, notorized contract signed and agreed upon by at least 3/4 of the property owners...not the Tribe. How bout dealing with all the meth homes, pot farms etc. That would be more productive.
Hahaha in your face slobert smith, I bet you he threw one of his tantrum’s when he got this letter because he didn’t win. Awe poor whittle wobert didn’t get his way. As always the tribe will foot the bill except they charge the tribe a little extra and smith and nieto take their cut. I see but many other tribal members don’t and I don’t understand what blinds them to the truth. With ALL THE MONEY the casino makes and nieto always says we broke even or we’re a little under and once in a while we made a slight profit and they take away all bonuses and percap hasn’t changed only they do some weird thing by taking it from general welfare fund which is a little fishy. How can do many be so blind and believe the lies being told to them. Then again some of those followers are not the brightest crayon in the box which makes sense why they blindly follow. So sad.... Pala definitely needs change and it won’t happen with this election committee I mean come on they are all robert groupies or family.
Just wait until you hear what Slobert and his fairy tale snatch nieto
are planning to do next.
Someone will probably meet their maker on this coming event.
You better not shout you better not cry, Santa Clause is not coming to town.
Way to go chairman Robert El Chapo, the Reservations drug cartel leader.
Lets see you tunnel your way out of this one.
This should come out of your pocket and not the Tribes.
After all you and nieto are the ones that are totally in the wrong
for not going about this the correct way and hiding it from the members of the Band.
Why in fuck don't you be a real man and step down so the Tribe can heal, or better yet just DIE.
Robert's true colors are showing here, he has to illegally dump sewage, wow what kind of respected leader (honorable) has to result to this, and then he probably threatened these people over and over until they had to fight him legally. Thank you for posting this. These people are brave, the dictator or dicktater needs to be ousted. If Robert can do this for this many years, then think of all the other illegal things he does out of sovereignty, He is not honorable at all, he is the most opposite of what an Indian Leader should be and represent. At least God does not follow those rules, HELL will be too good for Robert ad his cronies. One day I want to come on here and read in big letters "ROBERT SMITH IS DONE", and I pray it is soon, so the healing can start, but I fear the wound might be too big.
I also want to come on hear and see Robert Smiths and Theresa Nieto's
OBITUARY.
It will take two Sunday Editions to list all the wrong doings that these two fucker did to Tribal Members.
Just to let you know I heard Robert is getting ready to have a Pussy party at the Admin. building.
With special guest all the way from One Hung Low, Theresa Nieto and the Pie's.
Cum by and have a lick.
4:14 keep it relevant to the issues, your comments are childish and if you are hurting so much, try putting a little more thought into your comments or don't comment at all. It really makes you seem desperate and gross, like it's Robert talking. He is crass and unintelligent, be bigger than that!
I agree. It's understandable people's feelings however hasn't it crossed your minds it's a diversion from what the real issue is. He's trying to take control of the allotments since his buy back project didn't succeed.
PRAYER PRAYER AN MORE PRAYERS
Honorable, what a joke.
If he was so Honorable he would do the right thing and kill himself.
And for those that think that he is really Honorable are on the take
and should be charged for their crimes as well as him and Nieto.
Look up the meaning of Honorable and you will see that Robert Smith is not even close to being Honorable.
Not one single word in the meaning will describe Robert Smith or Theresa Nieto.
But look up the word SHIT and you will see the meaning of Smith and Nieto.
Now the word around the REZ is that Smith and Nieto are working on a big plan to get the Sharon Boles property away from Harvey and Denise
Boles which is between the Casino and the Rancho Luna Mia Ranch.
The property is at t5he entrance to the new Camping site.
Please get these two EC members out before they can do anything to the Boles.
Smith says that Harvey Boles is a direct threat to the Reservation and could be disenrolled and banished from Pala for those reasons.
So far Pala members really haven't stood up for anyone else. They do like the perfect capita checks. They'll stand up for those checks.
Robert Smith will never get the Boles property even if he tries to build a "sewer station" on there land. HA, HA.
And as for Harvey being a direct threat, that's a joke.
Harvey is a good guy and would help anyone in need.
Robert Smith is afraid of Harvey to begin with.
Harvey would put Smiths lights out with one punch.
I rear that there will be no Christmas bonus this year unless someone has the guts to make a motion at the coming meeting for at least 10,000 dollars for a bonus.
The EC can't blame it on the expansion at the casino because that's being done through a loan.
There have been true tribal members that have been dissenrolled, there have been murders on the Rez. But the only time tribal members will band together is to get a bigger bonus? Our ancestors would be very disappointed.
Some of our ancestors played peon gambling away over a months supply of food rations or the family's only donkey. Others gambled for whisky and cigarettes. Maybe don't over-romanticize the past.
I am not sure I can say exactly what our ancestors would be very disappointed in except maybe that everyone forgot who they really are and where they really came from.
All except the Chairman Robert Smith and family.
He knows damn well that he comes from San Fillipe and has no CUPA blood that he can legally claim and that's why he will not do the right thing and step down as Chairman.
He knops that if he does step down that his family faces possible banishment from the Reservation after a new Chairman calls for an Audit of all departments connected to the Tribe.
I sure hope and pray that he is caught before he dies so the Tribe can see the truth about his and Nieto's crimes against the Members of the Pala Band of Mission Indians.
I was no referring to the gambling that our ancestors would be disappointed about. We have pala families that are suffering at the hands of Robert. Murder and dissenrollment. Very few do anything to help them. But god forbid there's no Christmas bonus. Everyone better do something
Yes. Greedy Pala Members unite! That bonus is the most important thing. Who cares about disenrollments, murders, shady casino expansion, or elections? You can forget about all the evil as long as you have that bonus in hand.
The reason that the BIA says that Robert Smith is "HONORABLE" is because he always delivers there little brown bag of cash when he promises it to them.
Money talk and everything walks.
Robert needs to take accountability for what he did simply because of his twisted vendetta against certain families. So he alone should be held responsible for paying for the lawsuit not the Tribe. He did this without the Tribe's knowledge so he should pay for it.
What lawsuit are you talking about?
Hey R&R what the fuck is wrong with you calling all the Pala Members greedy.
So we are all greedy because we want what's ours.
You better check yourself.
What about the well being of your fellow tribal members? We should be banning together to stop dissenrollment and put our brothers and sisters back on the rolls. We should be banning together to make our Rez a safer place, so people don't have to worry about being murdered. Don't get me wrong, I want a Christmas bonus to. But I think there are more important things we should be banning together for. I am not R&R but that is my opinion.
I said greedy Pala members. Does that mean all Pala members are greedy? Or does it hit too close to home? I know some kind and generous Pala members who would gladly trade their Christmas bonus if it meant the solutions to the problems.
Every year since the disenrollments, it has been the same thing, rumors go around about no Christmas bonus, Robert and Theresa run around like crazy trying to find money for the bonuses because the natives are getting restless and it is always around election time so that anyone who wants to stand up and speak up gets drowned out by the loud mouths who scream about the bonus. That once a year thing that the members seem to not be able to live without, like they are getting nothing all year long, so sad really. Don't worry, don't pout, you will get your very important, will die without it, tear down the tribal haul if it does not come, Christmas bonus, hence the word Christmas.
Robert and There's don't have scramble around for bonus money. The Chairman has that much cash just lying around. He needs lots of cash for bribes and such.
The money situation at Pala is not desperate. That is a lie told by the EC so they don't have to share more with the members. Lawsuits don't cost as much as people have been told, but there is an army of lawyers getting paid to protect the Chairman from prosecution and to expand his wealth and power.
Members aren't entitled to a bonus. Bonuses are extras that are paid out when conditions or performance are favorable. What Pala members are entitled to are financial reports that are honest and accurate so they know how their money is being managed.
Most of the bad things that happen at Pala can be explained by the desire of the Chairman to hide the corruption. He has enticed or extorted many people to help him hide the theft of millions. The Christmas bonus is a pacifier and diversion used to manipulate the members.
You'll get your bonus. Just look away and let the evil happen. Soon enough you will be touched by the evil because you let the money blind you.
The above comment is so true that many of us are blinded by the money even though it’s not what we should be getting if everything was fair, equal, and honest. My eyes have been open for a while and I see what’s going on in Pala and it all comes down to the way we are governed. The people are afraid to speak up or publicly go against the EC because they’ve seen what happens when you do banishment,loose your home,right to visit family in Pala, percap suspended,banned from going to meetings, running for office, voting and the worst disenrolled. All these things I listed have been done to tribal members and smith/nieto know exactly what they are doing when they do these things to us. They are making examples to show the rest of us what will happen if they step out of line or go against them. Then there are the tribal members and descendants that blindly follow smith/nieto and see how they operate and get away with everything and have all this power and want to be a part of it and they start acting the same and run around Pala not giving a dam and causing trouble because that’s what they see their leaders doing and that makes it ok for them to not care either and treat other members and elders like they don’t matter. If this is ok to you and many other tribal members/descendants then nothing here in Pala will change. Elections will never change anything unless we group together and ALL go to the November meeting to vote in decent people that don’t support or not related to smith onto the election committee to count the votes fairly. Discussing problems at a monthly meeting will not work cause to put anything on the Agenda it needs to be approved by smith/nieto and they will not allow anything on the agenda that is contradictory to their agenda. I know most of us are just waiting for the Fed’s to take smith/nieto or the grim reaper to take smith so the people can then stand up and demand answers and rights. To have an OPEN GOVERNMENT for the people not the select few that keep the even more select few in power. Only time will tell and to all of you on the EC especially smith/nieto REMEBER people do not forget and will not forget all that you have done to them,their family and their tribe. It may be 1 year,5 years or 10 years but people do not forget and all your harm and lies you have brought on to others will come back for you or your children/family. REMEBER nieto you opened the disenrollment can which affected a lot of tribal members not just the ones you helped robert kick out with LIES.
I bet that as soon as the power switches on the EC that within 3-5
months after that Nieto and her kids will be disenrolled and banished from Pala along with Smiths Brother and Smiths Daughters.
After all the opened up the rules so they have to obey and respect the rules also.
Theresa J. Nieto is one of the worse evil woman to walk this earth.
And she has some people convinced that her bullshit is bible.
Even the Priest at the mission still let her be involved at the Catholic Mission in Pala.
The Mission that was built by the Indians way back in the early 1800'S.
And is now being destroyed by one evil woman, Theresa Nieto and her
Runt of a husband Roy "Fake" Nieto.
They won't be happy until there are no more followers at the Mission.
She thinks that she will see her Mother again after death because she thinks that she can buy her way into Heaven by being involved at the Mission.But what she doesn't realize is that you can't buy your way into Heaven, you have to earn your way into Heaven by being a good person not an evil bitch.
Talk around other Reservations is that Smith and Nieto are going to target one of Nona Niejo's daughters for her acts and being a direct threat on the Community.
Check it out on the Temecula Patch.
Just search her name, Kalice Magee.
Well looks like the money did her good huh? So Robert has the drugs made, lets them get sold to the youth so he can control them even his own family and then when the drugs make them do stupid things he kicks them out, while their parents stand by watching their children melt away into drugged out losers. How sad. Oh but they better get their bonuses because that is what is important.
That’s a long list of charges
I understand that tribal gaming is a blessing that has provided a good life for tribal members. But why do you feel that you need to criticize how people spend money and what they do with there lives. When people had no money, there were people who would do the same thing. If you cared, why would you say something like that, your just maki g somebodys real life an argument to post on this website, for what? Sounds weak.
Ok people. ...what's the saying....look into your own backyard before judging others. Unfortunately many of our families have that "someone " in our family. The money only gives them access financially to buy heavier drugs. I remember back in the day when you could count on one hand the heroin users. Hopefully she can get the help she needs. However, if they condemn her they need to do the same for their own families.
Watch your mouth !
If the EC tries to do anything to her they will have bitten off more than they can chew.
Just leave it alone and let the court system do its job.
And I am sure that the EC known this so they won't do anything about it except maybe using it to gain more supporters for their side.
So there is no need to start bad mouthing anyone just chill out.
You forgot the most famous Quote of all.
FUCK YOU ASSWIPES.
Come on we all know Robert won’t do anything to Kalice that’s his daughter’s cousin/best friend. She was with his daughter when they got pulled over with all those guns and silencers in the vehicle. If you’re on Robert side and vote his way you could be the worst of the worst nothing will happen to you but if you’re against him and don’t vote his way one little slip up and you’re finished.
Okay Mr. Smith your idol just died in prison, now it's your turn.
Charles Manson died Sunday and his son Robert Smith will follow soon.
At 2:26am that is the stupidest comment ever come on now people grow up this whole palawatch is a embarrassment to the whole tribe
Dissenrollment is a embarrassment to the whole tribe. If not for dissenrollment this site would not exist
Very true if the wrongfully disenrolled were reinstated nobody would go on this sight anymore and if rob and nieto don’t like it well too bad they started it and are the cause of it by illegally and falsely targeting and disenrolling and lowering the Brittain families blood degree even after the dept of Interior Secretary “after years of research” and “due to the EC providing NO Evidence proving otherwise” rules in a FINAL DECISION that Margarita Brittain was in fact FULLBLOOD Cupeno. Then according to Kilma who was on the EC at the time smith requested “ONLY” the 1928 rolls from the BIA to use to lower Margarita Brittains families blood degree. As we all know according to our Constitution (well before it was reworded and changed to fit their needs) is not to be used in matters of enrollment since there are so many discrepancies with every family in Pala but only the discrepancies for the Brittains were picked out but they were Roberts target. Well king and Willy were and the rest of the family was collateral damage. THESE ARE THE FACTS OF WHAT HAPPEN AND HOW THE DISENROLLMENTS WENT DOWN. THEY CANNOT BE DISPUTED JUST IGNORED AND NOT TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS WHAT SMITH DOES WHEN ASKED.
Hopefully our new vice chairman isn’t afraid to stand up to smith and nieto and back up the tribal members. I’m just glad we got rid of Maxcey who just wanted to be the next Robert smith and enjoy the perks of his position. The people of Pala believe and are hoping our new vice chairman will do the right thing for the Pala people and not be out for himself. We thought the same thing about villa but she just kept the status quo and didn’t stand up to Robert. I’m not saying she’s bad just too weak to speak out against smith and nieto’s actions. When a member wants to speak at a meeting let them speak we are all equal just because something is not on “Roberts agenda” does not mean it can’t be discussed amongst the people. Only time will tell and Pala needs good honest people in power. We’re hoping that’s you.
What no one wants to say about the 1928 Rolls is that Margarita Britten is listed as Margarita Saubel on all of children's applications. She is not even listed as Margarita Britten. Why? Because she was a Saubel and therefore a full blood. She was Cupeno. She was not Yuma, Yaqui, San Felipe or Mataquay. She was Cupeno yet all these other wannabe Cupas insist that that she is only half Indian. How stupid is that. The rest of you should just go back to your own reservations and get the hell out of our Cupeno lives.
Honorable my ass, why don't you honor the Tribal Constitution.
Oh yea there is no money in it for you.
Heard at the Casino that the Christmas Bonus will be handed out at 10am
on Dec 8 at the admin.
Oh good we were so worried, not. Every year same thing, same time, the Bonus is all you members care about. Do something good with it, instead of wasting it on material goods for yourself, prove to the world that Native's are good and not greedy, but you probably will spend it in one day on something that will be destroyed in a month or two and then you will be waiting for that bonus again, I used to give more than 75% of mine to needy families, and get their kids presents. I still give, but of course not even close to as much, and they are still grateful.
The EC will want you to vote for Maxcey in the up coming fake Election
so we may get 10-15 thousand for a bonus.
However don't let this cloud your brain. Vote for Tony Ravago, he is the man we all want. He is fair, he is Honest, and he will listen to all Members with an open mind.
And also he doesn't play "GOLF".
I hope that who ever the supporter was for Maxcey that fucked up the Election is gone from that post, and maybe take some classes at some
the nearest mental health clinic.
What will happen if Tony wins again, will Robert let Howard call for another special election, or will the EC except the results and honor
Tony Ravago as THE NEW VICE CHAIRMAN.
If I were Macey I would move in with his new boyfriend and go on with life.
Isn't Tony good friends with Robert, like a brother, so why is this happening? What is the true motive?
Because Robert is Howards Godfather and if he doesn't side with Howard he will probably lose the support of Howards family when its time to vote for Chairman next year.
Also one of Roberts daughters was sitting on the election committee as was one of Howards big supporters you all know who she is, just look at the pictures of them boarding the Tribal jet with their golf clubs.
With Howard gone and Tony in the budget will decrease a few million dollars for sure.
Probably at least a million on jet fuel alone.
Maybe Maxcey will run for vice at Mesa Grande or Morongo.
Or maybe not if they don't have a jet.
Someone should give the Chairman, Vice Chairman, and the Treasure a gift certificate for sky diving and give the disenrolled AK47 riffles
to shoot at them .
The Morongo tribe is not a bunch of p— — — like the Pala people,they don’t take any bull .Maybe they should invite the the Pala Ec to a field trip to the Morongo Canyon,where justice can be dealt Out by old customers and traditionals
Why would you want someone who has over extended our Fire Dept budget by millions and has little to show for it. The training center is rarely if ever used by outside agencies to bring in revenue for the expenses for the cost of it. He is not qualified for the position he holds there. There's a lot more they could be doing over there instead of wasting the tribes money. Way too many fire engines. I get it if the time does happen it will be nice to have two or three of everything. But we have the dept. of forestry and CAL Fire to lean on for help too. If we had. He is also Chairmans ears and eyes. I personally don't feel he would go AGAINST ANYTHING ROBERT PROPOSED. The racetrack is thriving and bringing in more and more business and is always busy on the weekends. I don't recall having to pass a budget of millions to make a return on that investment. We do need to put an end to the disenrollments because if anyone was to go and do some research no one was ever full blood Kupa. All mixed. We are Kupeno because we were the people of Kupa. We should be restoring our traditional ways and traditional healing so we can start to thrive and quit living in fear. Let the light shine through the darkness and bring peace to our homeland. We need to come together and make a motion to end disenrollments so we can all live in harmony and heal. Margarita's family are still Kupeno and family. No reason to treat them any less. More members need to go to the Budget meeting coming up so we can ask for itemized expenditures and any grants that's paying for each department. Quit complaining on here and show up and participate in the discussions at the meetings. Make a motion for all the elections to come be processed by California Indian Legal Services so we don't have corrupt voting processes. Nominate people to run against the current EC instead of them not being ran against. Let's hold debates to ask the important questions. Make our candidates work for us and to make an ACTUAL CHANGE that matters! There is so many wrong things that are being left out like how all of our children are being adopted out real quick. We all need to worry about how our Social Services Department is being ran by a lady who has too much power and is unethical herself and no moral standard. If you had kids I'd suggest getting a copy of the Pala Tribal Ordinance No. 21 so you know your rights if your kids were to ever be removed. There are no CHECKS and BALANCES in that department. Then we have another ETHICAL issue of our Pala Court. How is it that Judge Royball can also be the tribes attorney? Isn't that a conflict of interest? Our court is a laughing stock to professionals who work with courts. I'm afraid to ever have to be involved in that court because I know for a fact I would not get a fair trial. What about WARNER SPRINGS? Where's the continuing effort to get that back? I heard the new owner isn't fixing anything up to reopen he just goes hunting when he flies in or he brings friends in just to hunt. He doesn't care about fixing that place up and restoring the healing properties it has for our people. Yeah he had a blessing done by bird singers what a couple years ago and was supposed to be working with that group to make sure the Cupeno culture was preserved. Just a thought.......
You didn’t say reenroll.
Re enrollment goes without saying. Of corse the Britain desendants belong.
If you Pala Members say that the Britten family members do belong in the Tribe then why don't you all vote to put them back on the Rolls.
Wouldn't you all expect them to vote to put your family members back on the roll if it were you in their spot?
Stop being afraid of two EC members and do the right thing before it is to late and your family members get disenrolled and your votes will not count anymore.
HOHORABLE my ass, him and Theresa Nieto are the picture of EVIL.
Our Ancestors were the HONORABLE ones.
So HONOR our ANCESTORS and get rid of the EVIL that has split our Reservation in half.
No more Smith and Nieto equals calm friendly loving Reservation.
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