Friday, November 18, 2016

Pala Buys Part of Gregory Canyon

The San Diego Union Tribune reported yesterday that the Pala Band purchased part of Gregory Canyon effectively ending the 25 year fight over the landfill.  Purchase Price:  $13 million.  There will probably be no Christmas bonus this year for Pala members but hey, you got some sacred land back.

You can read the article at the link below.  Shasta Gaughen said:

"“The deal includes all of Gregory Mountain — we already owned the eastern side —  and all of Gregory Canyon, so that makes it impossible for there to be any sort of landfill development there,” said Shasta Gaughen, the tribe’s environmental director and historic preservation officer. “This outcome, with the tribe owning one of the most sacred sites we have — I didn't’ see it ending like this and I couldn’t be happier.”

Read the full article here:

Gregory Canyon Landfill project dead as Pala tribe buys part of land

87 comments:

M.J.Quinones said...

How in the hell did this land deal close so fast.
I heard that the Pala Tribe just voted on Nov.9,2016 to have their EC check into the purchasing of this property.
And it is being reported that the deal was done and finalized on the
17th of Nov. 2016.
How can a deal that large be done so fast.
The way it sounds is that this deal was done way before the Tribal Members even voted on it.13 MILLION DOLLARS will line those deep pockets of Robert Smith and his Buddies real good.
Whatever happened to Escrow, and title search when a deal like this is made.
This deal stinks a lot worse than any landfill would have.
This deal also needs to be investigated by the IRS and the Feds.

Anonymous said...

Hello M. J.

This is the way it has been at Pala for over a decade. You can trace it back to the BIA retroactive approval of the Constitution around 2003 I think. Pretty much ever since Smith and Nieto have done deals and then after the fact got the General Council to approve them.

It's always been like this with land deals. Hell, they committed $100 million to Pala Interactive with no General Council approval. Smith and Nieto have 50 to 60 core supporters that attend the meetings and vote yes on whatever they want. I guess the other 800 or so adult members just don't care.

This is nothing new. And it will continue. So much money gets spent that the General Council is not even aware of. Probably well over $100 million has been spent on land deals over the years with retroactive General Council approval.

And every time Smith and Nieto ask for more power (such as with Attorney Contracts) the Pala members just hand it to them.

MJ Quinones said...

I know Shasta Gaughen, and have for many years.
My question to the Pala Members is why are you "NOT" questioning her on some of these issues?
She has cheated her way into the arms of the PBMI and is taking full advantage of it.
Her finances should be looked at by the IRS and other Government Agencies concerning her income from the Pala Tribe.
It's huge compared to the income of some of the people that attended the same classes that she did.
She is for sure cheating the Pala Members.

Anonymous said...

Its time £

Anonymous said...

Time for what, more talk and no action.

MJ Quinonus said...

If the Tribal Members were smart they would motion to fire Shasta
before she uses more wrong information to dis-enroll another family
like she did with the Britten Members.
She is a very greedy bitch and a Robert Smith ass kisser(or licker).
For a dollar raise she will do whatever she is told to do.
How do you think she went from a Culture worker under Leroy Miranda to
where she is today.
She played a very big part in the dis-enrollment of the Britten Family
and has talked about it to several friends.
She can not be trusted by Tribal Members because her devotion is with
Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto because they write the checks.

Anonymous said...

Yeah she needs to go,and she needs to pay back the people who were hurt by her.

Anonymous said...

Why don't the people that she hurt, hurt her back?

Anonymous said...

Really so your telling me 30 years ago you wanted to disenroll this family? It didn't all start when the casino came and the perks of being a tribal member starting coming in and then all the sudden you cared about who was getting what? Because that was a lot more recent then 30 years ago. I'm just tired of all these people saying they never belonged I always knew it. Then why did everyone wait until there was casino's and percap involved to do something about it. Like Macarro said "this same process would have happened if there was a cornfield instead of a casino here" DOES ANYONE BELIVE THAT? I think all tribes are just on a witch hunt of greed and hate running around pointing fingers over a rumor they heard or something thinking they could get rid of that family and get something more in return for getting rid of them. Let me ask this, has any tribal member gotten more from disenrolling? I know at Pala we didn't, it actual continues to go down. That's because tribes that disenroll usually have corrupt councils and they keep the extras for themselves and tribal business perks which are for them. The only tribe I know of that has done the disenrollment process correct is Rincon" they have been looking into enrollment and hired genealogist and people to look into family histories and actually listened to the people they hired "unlike Pechanga". They let the people vote at the beginning and through the process if they wanted to move forward with looking into families. They also kept all members on the rolls while this process has been taking place. This is the way it should be done. Not like Pala,Pechanga and the other tribes where the council says your disenrolled because we say so and we're sovereign so you have no recourse end of story. To end this I have to say don't throw stones in a glass house meaning don't accuse and disenroll another family when your own family ties to your tribe are undeniably in question like San Pasqual Lawson (caretaker frank trask decendant with Mesa grande blood from the mother) or Pala's Lugo's or lubo's(who are enrolled through remigo lugo who was from morongo and was one of the guys who drove the wagons when they brought the Cupeno from warners and then said he was also from there to get an allotment) yes I have seen the documents but those two families are in their councils and have power to block these facts from being looked into. They won't always be in power and they made a mistake by opening this can of worms called disenrollment. If not them their kids will be around longer.

Anonymous said...

Are you people serious? Sacred land is saved from becoming a landfill, and you STILL complain about the way it was bought. Bunch of crybabies in this website for real!

Anonymous said...

Maybe the people are just getting tired of being fucked over by the EC spending all of this money that should be divided between the Tribal Members.
Tired of all the lies from the EC. Tired of the threats from the EC
Tired of feeling like you don't belong in the Tribe. Tired of being talked down to by the EC. Tired of not being able to discuss Tribal Business at Tribal Meetings. Tired of not being able to ask questions concerning the Tribes finances. Tired of being left out of all the things that should be voted on by Tribal Members. Tired of being bullied by the EC. Tired of the crimes that get covered up by the EC.
Tired of having our votes at meetings counted for something else other than what we voted for.
Tired of the Government not stepping in and stopping all this corruption that is running through the Reservation like a cancer.
So if that's being a crybaby OH WELL.
However sooner or later they will get caught up and punished for there rain of terror against Native American people and the sentence will be much greater than a Judge can impose on them.

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows that Robert has some other motive for buying that land. In no way does he care about SACRED. That word is thrown around as much as Sovereignty.

Anonymous said...

Totally disagree. Why should a tribe let outsiders decide who belongs and who does not, that decision should be left up to the tribe. Obviously, the whole tribe thinks disenrollment is okay, otherwise they would bring it up and change it.

Anonymous said...

Pala is not a Tribe it is a Band

Anonymous said...

They have tried to bring it up at tribal meetings and Robert say it's not on the agenda. Don't even try to say pala is okay with dissenrolling there own people. But you are correct about a tribe being able to decide who should be enrolled. Because back in 1989 the general council voted on this issue. But Robert overturned what the general membership all ready voted on. So the people have spoken

Anonymous said...

The landfill would have increased truck traffic considerably and the effect on casino revenues most probably would have been negative. Buying the land effectively cancels the landfill project. The price was exorbitant, but that's because the legal effort to stop the project failed. Now add the legal fees spent fighting the project to the $13 million.

Smith could have bought the land for a pittance long ago instead of waiting until someone else found a use for it. It's a waste of the Band's money, but why not waste the money? That's what its for isn't it?

Anonymous said...

The tribe did not disenroll the Brittain family, they never had any say at all, no vote, no listening to sides, nothing, and Robert makes sure that anyone who stands up to say anything against it is shot down so fast, and then their rights and per-capita are at stake. It is not just that though, it is the demeaning, the hatred, the constant barrage of evil deeds that come from the EC, from denying utilities to longtime members, blocking people from their own allotted land, sending the security to bully them, telling people who can visit them, fining people for attending a loved ones funeral, these are just the nice things that he has done. Just remember at one time he called some of these people his friends and cousins and has tried to completely destroy them, their hearts, and their minds. His problem is, he chose the wrong family to do this to. He has to walk around knowing how hated he is and he is scared. He has to watch every corner, he has to listen to conversations, he has to pay others for information, he is so paranoid that he no longer lives a normal life and hasn't for a long time. Maybe one of the reasons the per-capita keeps going down is that he is so busy paying outsiders to let him get away with his corruption that there is not much left for the members, the ones who it was suppose to help in the first place, remember? It was going to make all tribal members self-sufficient and improve the quality of their lives. Robert has made a joke of that and of the band, other tribes think Pala people are complete idiots for keeping him as a chairman. True Pala people are lost on what to do and how to handle this, but they do not want him as their leader. Unfortunately he has so many evil people in his pocket, it is too hard to fight that.

Anonymous said...

Pala didn't seem to want the land when it was a dairy. All that methane. Why now? So RS can get a pat on the back and show the world what a concerned person he is about the environment etc. GI've me a break

Anonymous said...

From what Shasta has let out to some friends is that Robert and Nieto held out until the company agreed to give each of them the requested
under the table money.
Smith has made a handsome profit on this deal.
If he were to die today his family would be very well taken care of.
It's time for him to die. Along with that non cupa blood bitch Nieto.
That would be a blessing for the Tribe with out any doubt.

Anonymous said...

Most members know he does under the table deals. I was at the meeting Ali g with a lot of other members at the church next to the admin when they did that presentation to show us the truth about smith. They showed us a check made out to smith for $10k paid to him for the Pala racetrack. Also that he was taken cash all the time for the racetrack to be built and open. Sobobas chairman went to prison for similar things taking kickbacks for construction jobs. It's only a matter of time before they get robert and then Nieto will sing like a bird to stay out of jail. Then the tribe can bansih them for crimes against the band. That will truly be a great day for Pala.

Anonymous said...

I am 83 there is nothing sacred about this land ,it has never been used,it is flood zone land what a wast of money.

Anonymous said...

Tribes always love to throw around ins the "sacred" word to get what they want. They claim land is sacred so it gives them an excuse to buy it and for all others to stay hands off. I'm from Pala I never knew that land was sacred. Shasta is one of Roberts lackeys she just does what he says. If he says land is sacred she goes around with her degree to make it look more legit and says that land is sacred you can't touch it. She is another one we need to run out of Pala when Roberts out of power.

Anonymous said...

If you are from Pala then would have know that Medicine Rock was used for Boys Initiation Ceremonies for thkusands of years, which help them learn about the world, universe, and initiate into religious positions/knowledge. Also, that mountain is one of many that Takwish goes to, bkthbof those events have been happening for thousands of years, and is part of your heritage. Even if you are not Luiseno, these sites are still important to your ancestors becuase the religion was adopted all throughout Southern California, eslecially at Warners, where Cupeno/Luiseno peopl lived right next door to Kumeyaays...unless you dont believe anymore.

Anonymous said...

SO all of a sudden Robert cares about ancestors and traditions and sacred land. He spit on our ancestors when he disenrolled the Brittains and had the headstones destroyed at Warners. Guess he is allowed to say what is Sacred and what is not, and his little followers come wagging their tails behind him, sniffing his ass. It might be Sacred to the true Cupenos, but Robert and Teresa making money off of it is also a spit, but on the people of Pala and their descendants.

Anonymous said...

I hope that this comes back to haunt them real bad for deceiving the
Members and lying to the Members to get their way.
And for them to deny a Christmas bonus to the Adult Members is nothing more than control over the Membership by Smith and Nieto.
My wish for the New Year Coming is for Smith, Nieto, Maxcey,Perez and
that Shasta Bitch to be locked up in jail for fraud against the Tribe
and sentenced to many years in Federal Prison.
If not that then the other will do. Get my drift????????????????????

Anonymous said...

The only Smith that has brought anything to Pala is Roberts Dad, Victor Smith. He brought the cops here at least twice a month looking for him for beating up his wife Marie.
And now his son Robert is bringing shame and corruption to the Reservation.

Anonymous said...

In the last sentence Shasta sounds like she is a Tribal Member.
Quote, " This outcome, with tribe owning one of the most sacred sites WE have. Who in hell does she think she is to use the word "WE"
when talking about the Tribe.
Also, I thought that we were a BAND not a TRIBE.
PALA BAND OF MISSION INDIANS.NOT PALA TRIBE OF MISSION INDIANS.
"Miss Historic preservation" officer.

Anonymous said...

Check the enrollment maybe she is a member now. According to the enrollment ordinance the EC can adopt people into the tribe as members. Who knows how many people Robert has adopted onto the rolls as a bribe or perk. That way they are loyal to him for making them a member and can only be a member as long as he is in power and will do anything he says to keep him in power.

Anonymous said...

If this land was so sacred,why wasn't it in trust at the B.I.A.

Anonymous said...

The only Indian that Shasta has in her is Chief Little PeePee from
San Felipe.
So thats like not even enough to feel like an Indian.
It probable didn't even get past her lips.

Anonymous said...

First thing on the agenda when Smith dies is to fire Shasta and band her for life from the Cupa Village of Pala.
And also void her retire fund that she has from the tribe.

Anonymous said...

I heard Smith telling someone the other day that it wasn't his fault that there is no Christmas Bonus money. He said the Membership voted to buy the Landfill property not him. so it's the members fault.

Anonymous said...

#5000 dollar bonus, your chairman and his ec are a joke.

Anonymous said...

He had to give the tribe something after all the sh:* talking by everybody. It is the smallest Xmas bonus out of all the tribes around. And right after Robert just lowered the percap!! Why does our income keep going down down down?? What's going on we need answers!! What's happening with Pala's financials?? The economy has bounced back great and all the other casinos/tribes are benefiting and at Pala only a few are benefiting the few that kiss rob's ass! It looks like staying quiet and staying in line isn't working anymore. We just keep quiet and allow ROBert to ROB us blind. -open your eyes pala-

Anonymous said...

So which lie do you believe? That the purchase of Gregory Canyon used up the bonus money? Or that there was no bonus because the members didn't pass the amendment? Or that business is down and there isn't enough money so per capita was cut?

Just try to keep track of the lies. I dare you. Meanwhile don't be fooled by anything the chairman says. There is plenty of money for him to play with. Right now he is playing winner take all and laughing at the members.

Anonymous said...

The tables always turn.

Anonymous said...

The quite members get $5000 and the EC followers get #10,000.
Shit even Shasta G. got more than the average Member got.

Anonymous said...

A letter from the people of Pala:
I'm mWe the people of The Pala Band of Mission Indians are asking for help from the BIA, FBI, IRS, DOJ, NIGC or GOD. Please deliver us from evil, evil which we have come to know as Robert Smith. He has become a dictator in every sense of the word, he threatens and punishes any member that questions or stands against him. He lowered members blood degree which in turn caused some to be disenrolled and still 5 years later will not give anyone a reason why or show proof to justify his actions other than "he shouldn't have to". All of the members are afraid to stand up to him in fear of retaliation. The last group of 10 members that stood up to him lost their right to vote, attend tribal meetings, and run for for office. The 2 members that asked to many questions and demanded answers had their monthly casino revenue (percap) taken away for a year. When the tribe (the people) voted for term limits, Robert Smith overruled the people and made term limits infinite so he could be a perminant ruler. He places his family and few followers on election committees and will. Or let the others see the throw away ballots. He has made himself the executive council,enrollment committee, housing authority, and Pala gaming committee. He has consolidated his power and has total control over us and Pala. Any tribal business to be discussed must go through him to be put on the agenda and he will not put anything on the agenda he does not want to be discussed or answered with the tribe. We have tried to take our tribe back but so far the courts, the BIA, and the NIGC have failed to act on our behalf and help us. They all seem to consider only the executive committee as the tribe which is Robert Smith when in reality the people are the tribe not this 1 man. I know it's easier for these agencies to look the other way but we need your help. Even GOD can help by a little stopping of the heart because even GOD couldn't change this mans mind or hatred. We have tried to reason with him and have come to realize he will never change his ways. So please look into the wrongs being done at Pala.

Anonymous said...

So a non-Indian like Shasta Gaughen got a larger bonus than tribal members with Indian blood? Hilarious! I wonder what blood degree RS assigned her when he enrolled her? He probably adopted her as a full blood so her descendants can enroll for generations to come.

You Pala members are clueless. If you whine loud and long enough he throws you a bone, yet you refuse to band together to oust him. Now you are asking for outside intervention, but no federal agency is going to help you. You complain that the EC has all the power, yet you are too cowardly to even nominate a candidate to oppose him at election time.

God helps those who help themselves. If you aren't willing to do any work to change things then why should he?

Anonymous said...

Robert, Robert, Robert.......

Anonymous said...

you can't blame robert he's just doing what his mama taught him.Like thet say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. poor Robert you can't help yourself.

Anonymous said...

Word on the street is that Robert and Nieto are targeting the of his own cousin, Mary Morro Guchieno.
Rumors from some BIA employees are that Smith and Nieto have requested information on this family and some of the Lavato family members, such as the Cagey woman who lost her home on Pala Temecula road because of who she is dating, the father of her son.
now her home that her mother left to her is all boarded up because Robert ordered it so. Just like he ordered that the Anthony Boles home be destroyed before any trial or sentencing have been completed.
If he gets away with this and the Murders that happened on his watch,
he is for sure going to destroy this Reservation without any doubt.
If you ask either one of them (Smith or Nieto)they will flat out call it a lie, however it is not a lie it is happening now and will be soon that they will destroy two more Family's because they can.
Take action now before this happens and take him out along with Nieto,Perez and Maxcey.
If you have any hard evidence on any of these corrupt assholes you know what to do with it, so do it and be part of the solution and not part of the problem that is spreading through the Pala Reservation like a cancer.Help you people do not destroy them.

Anonymous said...

I heard the same rumor a couple of days ago. I am ready to defend these families in anyway I can.

Anonymous said...

Just like you defended the Brittains, Trujillos and the Freemans? I am not holding my breath.

Anonymous said...

I usually don't like to stoop down to other's stupidity but here I go. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the tribe didn't seem interested in it before because it wasn't in as much risk then? You can accomplish anything if you just use your brain there buddy.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't make YOU a better person than her.

Anonymous said...

She lost her home cause it was a hot spot for druggies. Her and her daughters were bringing all kinds of gang members into the reservation and selling drugs. Maybe if you did some research before opening your mouth you wouldn't look so dumb.

Anonymous said...

But if they get locked up then who will run things, YOU PEOPLE? The ones who can't do anything but complain! Hahaha the tribe will fall in the hands of you whining little crybabies!

Anonymous said...

not a tribe

Anonymous said...

TO December 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM
Things are being run like shit by the current EC
pull your head out of the fat fucks ass and open you eyes you stupid fuck.
They're a # of people who can run the Bands business way better the smith and company.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 12:57 PM
The current EC, mainly Smith and Bitch Nieto are destroying this Band right before your very eyes and people are still defending them.
But watch as Smith and Bitch get ready to take out another round of
disenrollments, are you ready for the battle if it involves your family or your close friends or do you care?
Why would you want to risk all that you have now by keeping quiet and allowing them to run this Reservation into the pits of hell.
How can you sit and watch all the things that your Ancestors fought and dies for be destroyed by these evil greedy so called leaders.
Just look at what Robert has done to some of the people that he has destroyed over the past few years.
He has taken their identity, there way of life, there healthcare,there
income, there homes and there right to even visit there own family members.And you say that there is no one that can run this Reservation like the current EC.
Be ready for the next round because its very possible that it will involve you or your family or close friend.
And one more thing, there are many people who can run this Tribe like it should be run without any doubt, and run it honestly without corruption and hate.

Anonymous said...

Name a few?

Anonymous said...

You would call them corrupt if you were still enrolled that's for sure haha. You are upset cause you aren't getting money that's all it is.

Anonymous said...

*wouldn't

Anonymous said...

There is no corruption. Stop using that word like you know what it means. You are mad cause there is no more money for you. I bet if they offered majority of these disenrollees enrollment without pay, they wouldn't take it. You only care about the money, not your ancestry.

Anonymous said...

I am sure Smith/Nieto are really concerned about ancestry as they fly around on private jets and spend tens of millions of the band's money. It must be the first thing on their mind. Meanwhile, the rest of you suckers get less and less and less , cause well, you're just greedy if you ask for anything. Just be good little sycophants and enjoy the crumbs your masters throw you every once in a while.

Meanwhile the EC lives like multi millionaires with private jets and endless money at their disposal. They want for nothing but if you ask for anything you are the greedy one.

Right @ 3:23 pm?

Anonymous said...

At 3:16. I am not dissenrolled and I still am here saying Robert smith is corrupt. Per cap goes down bonus go down. Robert lies and dissenrolled his own people.

Anonymous said...

At 3:11, you want me to name some people that could do a better job than Robert? How about sponge bob? I think he would do better then robert

Anonymous said...

How come the EC supporters always bring up money and saying it's all disenrollee's on here mad cuz they don't get percap anymore?? I don't here anyone on here complaing about percap except you guys. That's because that's the lies and rumors the EC and their supporters spread around saying the disenrollee's are greedy and only want money. Well I am an enrolled member and the percap is nothing now I make almost as much working and I still say and agree something big is wrong with our tribe and the way it is being run. Robert will not allow anybody to ask questions at the meetings. He lies and steals from us. There is major CORRUPTION going in at Pala and once smith and Nieto are out we will all see the truth when the tribe (the people) us are able to have an audit done. Then where will all the smith/Nieto supporters be?? What about when Robert disenroll's another family next year then lowers percap again? This is their pattern. They will run Pala into the ground bankruptcy before too long if we don't stand up.

Anonymous said...

The people that say the only reason that disenrollees want to be members is because of the money is because they only care about the money themselves. If they cared about Pala and the Band they would never support Smith, Nieto and the other EC members. The Pala EC has taken all the power away from the General Council. The members don't get to vote on any important issues. The elections are fixed to the point where no one even nominates candidates to run against incumbents. The financial reports are phony.

How bad is it? Pala Members aren't even allowed to ask about Pala Interactive. Pala Members don't even question the fact that government grants and other aid are not reported as part of the tribe's finances. The financial report does not report interest earned on any account. People are evicted without committing any offenses against the Band. Deals are made behind closed doors, like the Gregory Canyon deal, and votes taken after the fact in order to make it look like the members approved the deal. The Chairman refuses to discuss anything the he doesn't put on the agenda.

Pala Members don't know how much money their Casino makes, how much money is supposed to be paid in per capita or why there are no returns on investments. Pala members don't know how many enrolled members there are, how many eligible voters there are, or who has been enrolled that doesn't meet the blood requirements.

At this point the EC has enrolled lots of people who don't have the blood but are willing to support the EC. This gives the Chairman the power to do as he pleases. Anyone who tries to change things get threatened, and their family members get threatened too.

This is not the Pala that was built up by people from Kupa. This is a nightmare brought on by usurpers exploiting the greed, fear, and ignorance of weak members.

Anonymous said...

Uneducated weak minds is what keeps smith and Nieto in power. There are not enough educated open minded members to ask the questions and stand up when they see what's happening. Too many weak minded members that rather believe what they are told by the EC then think and look for themselves. To many members care more for the money than the tribe. If the disenrollee's only cared about the money then why were they enrolled way before there was any. The ones that believe this know it's possible because that's what they care about and my fear is everyone won't see it or step up until it's too late.

Anonymous said...

go to cw6 news website type in Pala raceway in the search engine and check out the story.it appears schimtty boy wants to release 100's of flammable balloons into the air for some light festival. county officials as well as cal fire are against it but find it difficult to do anything because of sovereign nation.it would suck if this festival caused a major fire, who in their right mind would approve this? sponge bobs buddy patrick star could do a better job than this clown of a chairman and Patrick is pretty stupid.

Anonymous said...

@ 3:11 pm
I am not stupid enough to name anyone because that would put them in danger of being threatened or disenrolled by Smith and company.
So why don't you use your brain and figure it out for your self.
A headache will only last a couple of hours.

Anonymous said...

@ 3:23 pm,
Boy are you blind or just plain stupid.

Anonymous said...

3:23 is either Robert or one of his kids. or one of his cronies trying to get people to argue and write things out of anger.

Anonymous said...

Just what I thought. Nothing but immature people on this page.

Anonymous said...

Well then you better be on standby with a bucket of water ready to put out the "major fire" there.

Anonymous said...

You're the one trying to win an argument through insults.

Anonymous said...

Then why even make comments that you aren't willing to backup.

Anonymous said...

So even saying the name of someone that might be capable of running PBMI beside Smith leads to threats and danger of disenrollment? This Smith must a real immature, vindictive clown. Why not just throw out a few names for fun. Choose his close buddies. I say Eric Ortega and Jim Goodpasture. There's a couple of good choices. How about Kilma Lattin? He seems to be able to weather the storm.

Now you see what a joke this is. What a bunch of cowards. Who are you protecting anyway? It sounds like you just want to keep the money flowing.

Anonymous said...

Stop talking about money and keeping the money, the only ones that care about the money are the ones bringing it up on here and smith/Nieto. The percap isn't even that great anymore to be fighting over. Smith/Nieto have lowered it so much my wife and I make just as much from our jobs combined. It's only a lot of money to dead beats that have never or will never have a job and don't k ow the value of money (Roberts favorite kind of supporter) the kind that take what he decideds to give them and they say thank you cuz I would have nothing without this. These are the same people that keep trying to put down the disenrollee's and other members by saying they only want the money when it is actually they who keep on bringing it up and thinking about it and are to stupid to see what's going on in Pala and that smith/Nieto are robbing us blind and mismanaging our money.

Anonymous said...

@4:40pm
That is so true, that's why everyone one is quiet now because they feel stupid and are starting to realize your right about them blindly supporting Robert for hand outs while he keeps the majority. Stop believing rumors and what your told and read a little. Reading facts will open your eyes. The one thing you can't read is a document or piece of paper stating why Robert lowered tribal members blood degree and disenrolled more because that paper doesn't exists because Robert still has not givin a straight answer as to why.

Anonymous said...

The BIA has not changed the blood degree from the Pala Members as of today 12/23/16, I spoke to them this morning and was told that because this case is in the court system that they could not give any
CIBD's on the blood issues until after the Courts make a ruling but they say that my degree is what it always has been from birth until now.

Anonymous said...

Well @ 3:11pm, the Pala EC must be telling you the truth. They are really honest folks once you get past the lies. They only lie when they have to protect themselves from prosecution for stealing so much money, and for illegally taking the power of the General Council, and for taking possession of the Casino, and for rigging the elections, and for disenrolling members without evidence, and for evicting people for whatever made up reason they can think of.

The Pala EC is extremely tustworthy, and will always tell you what you want to hear to your face while they do just the opposite behind your back. That is just how strongly they feel about their oaths to uphold the Constitution, and to work for the general welfare of Pala members. They are always looking to do what is right by Pala. You can tell by all the good things they are always doing for Pala.

Anonymous said...

For the last 5-6 elections the winners of the elections were never sworn in after winning the election.
Is this the reason that they never uphold the so called Constitution.
And they get away with it because no one questions them about anything.

Anonymous said...

The Court has made a ruling so the BIA is lying. Judge Cynthia Bashant dismissed the suit brought against the BIA. Her opinion was that the statute of limitations expired on appeal of the approval of the Pala Constitution, and that the PBMI has the right to determine its own membership. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals denied the appeal and upheld the decision. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals also denied a petition for a hearing En Banc, which means the decision stands.

What the court did not rule on was Margarita Britten's blood degree, however, the Court did speak to the dispute over her blood degree that led to the disenrollments. As it stands the BIA can issue CDIB's based on full blood degree for Margarita Britten because the PBMI Enrollment Committee made an erroneous determination without sufficient evidence to overturn the 1989 Final Decision. That was the decision by Acting Regional Director Dale Risling, and it has never been challenged.

The BIA is simply playing games with the Britten descendants. Robert Smith has the support of Amy Dutschke and has forbidden Regional employee from issuing CDIB's until the dispute is resolved with finality. But that was what the 1989 Final Decision did so the BIA is actually violating the decision of the AS-IA.

No one is suing them for that right now.

Anonymous said...

The BIA told me the same thing when I tried to get my CDIB. I eventually called Sacramento and they sent something to Riverside and then Riverside BIA sent my CDIB with my unchanged blood degree counting Margarita Britten as FULLBLOOD. This took a couple months and several phone calls because the BIA said they couldn't issue CDIB's for Brittens from Pala.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what Smiths CIBD states about his blood line being that he is a citizen Indian and his Mothers father is unknown on her records.
I believe that makes him a fake Indian legally.

Anonymous said...

The Smiths have as much Cupa blood as Shasta Gaughen. 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.0

Anonymous said...

What is a citizen Indian?

Anonymous said...

Before 1924 Indians were not considered U.S. Citizens unless they served in the Armed Forces, or acquired homestead land. Domingo Moro was awarded homestead land in Warners Ranch and became an Indian Citizen. Domingo Moro's daughter Annie Moro was Robert Smith's grandmother. Indian Citizens agreed to forego tribal membership in order to obtain the right to own land, vote, enter into contracts, to retain attorneys, etc. In those days Indians did not have such rights.

The children of Indian Citizens were considered Citizen also, and that means they had no right to allotments of trust land. Annie Moro got an allotment at Pala. The BIA gave her and her sister allotments even though they were not eligible.

Anonymous said...

Shhhhhhhh, Robert Smith doesn't want anyone to know about that let alone understand it. Hahahaha, You don't belong Robbie boy, how ironic

Anonymous said...

He won't hear this. He's on gaycation.

Anonymous said...

Robert was raised by the family that he disenrolled, and then he even turned around and married the granddaughter of the man that raised him
that was Alvino Trujillo the son of Esperanza Trujillo, Margarita Brittens daughter.
His mother and his wife's mother were first cousins.
So he married his own cousin. Shame on him. PEW .

Anonymous said...

That's because no one wanted him.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha

Anonymous said...

She felt sorry for him so she took the plunge.
She should of had a v8 instead.
The same fruity taste without all the bullshit and shame.
Boy what a cousin fucker he is.