Wednesday, November 11, 2015

Agua Caliente Cupeno v Assistant Secretary Indian Affairs Kevin Washburn

We are Cupeno.  We were forcibly removed by the U.S. Government in 1903 from our village at Kupa which is known today as Warner's Hot Springs.  The U.S. Government bought land for us adjacent to the Pala Luiseno Reservation (Old Pala) in an attempt to replace what we have lost.  They called us Warner Ranch Evictees.  
For too long the Cupeno have pushed around.  It is time for the Cupeno to stand up and be proud of who they are once again.  It is time we stop the Executive Committee of PBMI from continually pushing us around, evicting us, stripping us of our rights, and trying to destroy who we are as a people.

HAPPY VETERANS DAY - YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE - YOU MAKE US PROUD

56 comments:

Anonymous said...

And who knows what damage Robert and his paid helpers cause at tonight's meeting? Everything this supposed Chairman has done needs to be reevaluated. Even the voting is illegal.....how can he run a meeting or a tribe that doesn't really exist? The casino might not even be legal. Why is your tribe allowing this maybe criminal to destroy their tribe ? Demand a forensic audit.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the outcome of tonight's meeting?

Anonymous said...

EVERTHING PASSED

Anonymous said...

As for PBMI, they all have hollow.hearts, so my dear friends, when you put money before people, you don't get much in return, this is all par for the course. But, on the other hand, the Agua Caliente tribe, I wish you all.success, may you be like the phoenix rising out of the ashes.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:48 PM
Wrong, not everything passed as was on the Agenda. The Attorney issue
passed. The Jerrod Hill issues pass with a 1 year eviction.
The other Amendments passed with the exception that it still has to be brought up to the people to enforce at the next general council meeting.

Anonymous said...

Question for Pete Trujillo, if you are elected will you call for a for
an audit. If the people want one?

Anonymous said...

There has still got to be some honest people in the BIA, please take the time to read our information and proof, we have been so devastated by the way we have been treated. Many of our people have been going through so much harassment and depression, we need you to step up to the plate and do what is right by us. We did not ask for this situation, it was created by evil, we need to counter it for all the people, for all Natives, please do the right thing. I have heard some good things about some of the people towards the top of the BIA, but we all know that Amy Dutschke, Robert Eben, and Francis Muncy do not work for the general welfare of all California Natives. We have proven our right to belong, now we are proving our differentiation in our tribes of the BAND. The Cupenos deserve rights too, because they were stripped by a Luiseno.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:38 PM
It's like I said in other post I am there for the People of our Tribe and if this is what the People of our Tribe wants then this what should happen.So yes , I will do as the Members want. According to the Constitution an Audit is supposed to happen once a year and more if the General Membership wants it. This is part of the Tribal Treasure's job as an elected official of the Tribe.

Peter Trujillo sr. said...

Sorry about the Anonymous part of the above post. It was posted by me, PETE TRUJILLO SR.IT WAS MY RESPONSE TO A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME BY POSTER 6:38 PM.

Anonymous said...

@8:48 "everything passed" yea but don't forget 12 of out best Tribal people are not even sent agendas or allowed to come to meetings. And, about 100 illegally disenrolled descendants of a Margarita Britten can't vote. But still a sizeable number of members voted against the Lawyers contracts. That says a lot.

Anonymous said...

Yes that does say alot, there are still good people in Pala, they are just being overshouted and overpowered by Robert's Kronies. Thank you to all the good people of Pala (probably the descendants of true Pala people), we love you and we will continue our fight, If I die before them, I will haunt the crap out of them until they repent and do good by our people, and if they don't well then the Lord has his vengeance.

Anonymous said...

Get a life and let it go and you better bounce chicken shit.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

A verifiable financial report is required to be submitted to the General Council once a month. It is not a PBMI law, but an ICRA regulation. Robert Smith gets around this by providing monthly financial reports from the Pala Gaming Authority Management Board to Pala EC.

That is what the Pala Gaming Authority Ordinance says. It also says that the Management Board is made up of the members of the Pala EC. So the EC reports to itself. Pretty cool, huh. You Pala members get lied too about everything.

Now you have approved unseen contracts for unknown amounts providing whatever services Robert wants. You can blame Robert Smith all you want, but he could never have made Pala members look so foolish without their cooperation.

Anonymous said...

Someone needs to ask Robert Smith how he can be Chairman of two different bands and which band he is enrolled with since PBMI is not Federally recognized. Is Robert even Luiseno? Why does he claim to be Luiseno Chairman?

Anonymous said...

He has a little pee pee so he is from san feleppi.

Anonymous said...

Robert Smith's bloodline is questionable, period. He can't claim any blood from Victor's side, since Domingo Moro (born 1886), Victor's Grandfather was a FEE PATENT INDIAN. FEE PATENT INDIANS forfeit any rights to indian citizenship, period, and that includes their descendants. In fact, Domingo's TWO GIRLS should not have been granted an allotment on the Pala Reservation, because their father, Domingo, owned 140 acres of land in the Warner Springs area and the Pala Reservation was set aside for "LANDLESS INDIANS", not INDIANS WHO OWNED LAND, as is the case for Annie Moro. PLUS, ANNIE'S MOM, WAS A CAHUILLA (two parents who were not landless).

Additionally, there is some San Luiseno blood, as he descends from Jaquina Scholder, who is Mesa Grande/San Luiseno, so perhaps that's how he's claiming to be the LUISENO CHAIRMAN???

Technicially, then, Robert Smith isn't Cupeno, and some would argue strongly, he is not indian because of the CITIZEN INDIANSHIP issue.

DO NOT CONFUSE "INDIAN CITIZEN" with the "Indian Citizenship Act of 1924" --- they are two complete different things.

Here's an excerpt from a post on OP, which discusses this matter in length:


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He was a Citizen Indian and ineligible to receive an allotment. It also meant that his children were not eligible to receive allotments either but through the usual government misdealings at Pala his daughters were finally allotted at Pala. That is why they appear as allottees 159 and 160 near the end of the list of Pala Allottees. Understand that Domingo Moro held title to almost 140 acres of land at Warner’s Ranch and therefore he was not considered a landless Indian and neither were his children. The allotments to his children were illegal under the law.

From a letter to the Indian Agent at Pala November 25, 1918.

Dear Mr. Wadsworth:
In response to your letter of the 18th, concerning Domingo Moro, you are advised that he is a fee patent Indian; his fee patent, dated Oct. 29, 1908, covers Lot 1 and NE ¼ and NE ¼ Sec. 25 and Lot 4 and SE ¼ and SE ¼ Sec. 24 in T. 10 S. R. 3 E. S.B.M., containing 138.52 acres. His name appears on no census. *** his name was dropped from the census when he became a citizen by virtue of the fee patent cited above.

Domingo Moro sold his land for $20,000 to the owner of the Citrus Soap Co. That probably made him the richest Indian in California at that time.

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Now, IMO, the San Felipe side (MARIE BLACKTOOTH) IS ALSO affected by that INDIAN CITIZENSHIP ruling, and will will flow through to all of Robert's descendants. It affects Marie because she married the INDIAN CITIZEN, and that determination flows to her, but not her siblings, just her.

It doesn't affect any of the people born on the Marie Blacktooth side, just Robert and his kin who descend from DOMINGO MORO, son of Adolfo.

SO, ROBERT SMITH IS TECHNICALLY A NON-INDIAN, his ancestors stole Pala land that was set aside for Warner Ranch Evictees, he is a CITIZEN INDIAN whose ancestor, Domingo Moro, gave up his rights, they defrauded the US government by accepting an allotment and continue to defraud the Warner Ranch Evictees today by allowing NON CUPENO people to disenroll from PBMI BAND and evict rightful members of the Cupeno Nation from the PALA RESERVATION.

FEE PATENT INDIAN

Anonymous said...

Let's STAND TOGETHER AN FIGHT THE EVIL GOING ON BEFORE THERE IS NOTHING TO FIGHT FOR.

Anonymous said...

ALL THE PROFF AN STILL THE BIA ISNT STEPPING IN OR THE PEOPLE OF PALA ARENT PULLING TOGETHER FOR JUSTICE.WHEN IT HAPPENS TO YOU AN YOUR FAMILY DONT COMPLIAN CAUSE ,WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.KEEP LETTING ROBRT SMITH AN THE REST OF HIS PAID FAMILY AN FRIENDS KEEP FOOLING YOU.SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING BEFORE ALL THE HARD WORK OUR ANCESORS FOUGHT FOR BE LOST.WE ARE THE TRBIE NOT ROBERT SMITH AN HIS PAID POSSIE.

Anonymous said...

Way back in old days, if he did this to the Indian people, his family and his friends would have found him hanging from an oak tree somewhere in the back Country.
But in this world of Corruption the Members of the Band only care about money, and care nothing about the History of the People.
They don't care about the ones that fought and died for them so that this kind of thing didn't happen to them. Your Ancestors don't mean a fucken thing to any of you that follow such evil people. However remember this, when we are all gone and face the Creator you will have to answer to him, And by you saying that you don't remember, or I am sorry will not save any of you from the fire pit that are waiting for those evil ones. Every living being can see what a evil person that Robert and Nieto have become and have showed you proof of the Evilness and you still chose to be by their side while innocent Native's are abused beyond forgiveness. Is this the outcome that you are living for?

Anonymous said...

We Pala Members need to stop blaming the BIA and others for our problems and put the blame where blame is due.
It is us the Members of the Band that are to blame.
All we have to do is vote these people out of office before it's to late to do even that. And by the way that you are giving all of your power to the EC, you better act now before you die or Robert wants you and you loved ones off the Reservation. If you were to pass on right now how would you feel knowing that YOU did nothing to save you FAMILY MEMBERS FROM THE EVIL HANDS OF SMITH AND NIETO?
You all know that when most of the seniors and elders are dead and gone that Smith and Nieto will be rejoicing and kick your kids off the Reservation. Or don't you love your kids either?

Anonymous said...

J.J.Warner is the father of margarita britten and one more house maiden he used to have sex with..he didn't want his wife to find out about the two indian girls he had sexual avers with..thats why the trujillio's family were the only family of indians to get a land grant..only white men and churches and people who paid the governor off for the land grants given out …do some more real research home work idiot…..fathom that shit dips hit's…lmao...

Anonymous said...

At 12:54 what are sexual avers? You're crock of .... Is easily shot down. Merced Nolasquez said her sister Margarita Britten's father was Peligrino Saubel/Ortega. Why would she lie. Not a question! She wouldn't. Sorry you're juvenile effort made up facts doesn't work.

Anonymous said...

12:54 shows Smith/Nieto and cronies are reading this blog and are getting desperate

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:54 you want some research? The children of JJ Warner were called Largos. Juan Largo was what the Indians called him. That is where the Largo name come from. Many historians reported that Largo was a black man but that is not true. The reason for the mistake is that the mother's of Juan Largo's children were known as Blacktooth. In Spanish that is diente negro so it was assumed that the father of the Largos was black. The Diente Negro were a group of Indians that JJ Warner brought up from Mexico because the Cupeno refused to work for him when they finally realized that he was taking their land. Oh guess what, the Cupeno women refused to sleep with him too. Now that's some research.

Anonymous said...

And she wasn't a Trujillo by birth. She was a Saubel/Ortega. Eric can't stand facing the truth.

Anonymous said...

Idiot 12:54 Warner wasn't even living at Warner Springs when Margarita was born or the 9 months before her birth. The Warner's ranch house was over by San Felipe, jackass. So check those kids.

Anonymous said...

12:54 AM must be to stupid to read because the father of Margarita Brittain is Pelegrino Ortega.I just read it myself and I understand it without a doubt.I wonder why people like dion perez and teresa nieto don't understand it,they must be too stupid.Oh yea that's right they think they are warner ranch evictees,they are stupid.

Anonymous said...

What is really missing from Robert Smith's logic is that he has never provided any information that the father of Margarita Britten is not Pelegrino Saubel. He has never provided any information as to who he thinks her real father is. The only thing he has provided is "sovereignty" and that may soon be going away. If tribes lose their sovereignty history will look back and the blame can be placed directly on Robert Smith for violating the sanctity of sovereignty for his own personal gain. He is a total idiot and more. He is willing to destroy everything that Indians across the nation have fought to achieve. Robert Smith is not a sovereign and so the evidence will prove and very soon.

Anonymous said...

Keep up the fight! Bad guys have to get lucky every time they are being chased. The good guys just have to get lucky once. These tyrants WILL be exposed for their crimes and actions. The fortress is starting to crumble.

Anonymous said...

@ 12:54 AM
I don't where you are getting your information, and if you paid for it you should ask for a refund because it's all wrong.
Do some real research and try reposting real information. Or you could try switching Drug Dealers because you could be getting some real bad shit from your current one.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

So now we get fairy tales to go with the lies. The truth is supported by evidence. This fairy tale about J J Warner has no supporting evidence. Also the years are off so it is impossible. Warner left the ranch after the Garra revolt as he feared for the safety of his family. That was in 1852. Margarita Britten was born in 1854.

Verify your facts before saying these stupid things. The history has been well researched. You aren't going to disprove the facts without some seriously powerful new evidence.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations to all Pala members that Paris and hoped for this day. The theiving,lying,corrupt Robert Smith was taking by ambulance to the hospital earlier today unresponsive due to what has been said a stroke. Karma,karma,karma let's all hope he doesn't wake up and we can start to put back the peices of Pala this horrible man has taken.

Anonymous said...

@November 17, 2015 at 7:03 PM

What does "Pala members that Paris and hoped for this day." mean?

So far no one at Pala has heard what you are reporting here so I have to chalk it up to rumor. Can you provide anymore detail?

Anonymous said...

If Robert passes into oblivion peacefully then that would not be karma. He deserves to live 20 more years in a prison cell and even then that would not make up for all the harm he has brought to Pala. Even God would not be so cruel so as to deprive us of seeing Robert endure the pain and suffering he much deserves.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure they mean prayed and hoped for this day. Auto spell can be a problem. Also I hope this to be true. To out an end to his dictatorship over Pala anyway would be fine for him or Nieto

Anonymous said...

This rumor is just bait to see who starts talking about it and then EC will know who's reading Pala watch.

Anonymous said...

Prison would be great for smith but anyway that would get him out would be good. and yes he was taken by ambulance after a stroke and I'm not surprised it's being hushed. His minions don't want the people to know and try something with the tribe.

Anonymous said...

If it is just bait, that shows how childish the EC is. But, we already know that, by how they have concocted fake information to disenroll MB descendants, how they have portrayed Agua Caliente officer as "criminals" so that they could ban them from the reservation, please! Robert Smith is the chief of childish, ignorant behavior. We all know that, I put nothing past him. Anyone who grew up with Robert Smith, who is completely honest with themselves and has any common sense knows that he is a fraud, a cheat and a loser as a human being. So, he can fool the outside world, but we know him too well to be fooled. Those who follow him only care about money and that's all they care about, they are just as pathetic as he is.

Anonymous said...

This is the latest info we have on Robert Smith. There was an ambulance and fire truck at his residence yesterday after 4:00 in the afternoon. It has been confirmed that there is a Robert Smith currently admitted to Palomar Hospital. There has been no update as to his condition. Whispers from the tribal hall have also confirmed that Robert is in the hospital.

Anonymous said...

Now is the time to have an emergency meeting and get rid of him once and for all as Chairman.

Anonymous said...

I am not sorry to hear the news about today's passing..Do not RIP RS, finally. TN hopefully you are next.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:51 PM What?

Anonymous said...

@November 18, 2015 at 6:51 PM

If you are talking trash it is in poor taste. If you are real please elaborate. No one knows what is happening other than rumors as stated above.

Anonymous said...

Nothing gets done without Robert saying it can be done, so until we hear from Robert himself saying that he's gone, than it isn't true.

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of Robert Smiths, so if someone really knows something to be true, then please let us know, should we be dancing or praying for a different Robert Smith?

Anonymous said...

As suspected, this rumor is false, it was generated by someone in Pala, though. It needs to be said that whomever came on here and put fslsehoods has some serious issues. What would compel them to do so, I dont know, but take your lies somewhere else. This is a place where the truth can be told, so in the end, Robert Smith lives on, so let's focus on the important issues such as this lawsuit. NEXT...

Anonymous said...

My Daughter saw him this afternoon riding around on his golf cart. So who ever was praying that he died was giving false information.
Wait a minute I thought that the Smiths were the only guilty ones that give out false information. Sorry they give false info to the Courts and to peace officers, and Tribal members at the Meetings.

Anonymous said...

There probably was a Robert Smith that went to the hospital and someone heard about it, assuming or hoping it was Pala's Robert Smith.

Anonymous said...

Well, after reading this filing I can see PBMI has some huge problems, still so many PBMI don't understand that their association has never been a federally recognized tribe. Well, unless you are an OLD Pala member, then I would be very concerned.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Old Pala has no federally approved membership roll. How do you prove you are a member? Just one of the many issues Robert Smith and the BIA have created by pretending PBMI and the Pala Luisenos are the same tribe.

Anonymous said...

There you have it, no federally approved roll for Old Pala, it's a huge mess, created by a leader who has no honor, who doesn't abide by any indian law, be it through the articles of association or his constitution.

Anonymous said...

Robert is a mess....he has Fucked pala over that it may be beyond repair...good luck P.B.M.I.....you.NON federally recognized MESS

Anonymous said...

Update on RS in hospital.
Someone said that he took 2 virago pills and couldn't get rid of his hard on for Tribal Members that he likes.

Anonymous said...

Viagra pills will do that. I wonder how he feels have taken them and having a large 2" dick.
I guess he is happy. It's better than the 1" that he is used to having.

Anonymous said...

Robert is Luiseno Chairman with no membership. Robert is the tribe, he is sovereign. That's why he gets all the money.

Anonymous said...

Good job Agua Caliente Tribe, looks like you just caused Kevin Washburn to step down because he can't handle all the pressure of these lawsuits. Keep up the good work.